If Bernie doesn't get the nomination...what will you do?

I will vote for Jill Stein!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MMahrBteE8

What if Clinton doesn't get the nomination?   If she loses every primary from now until June, but has more delegates (who are mostly from red states Republicans will win in November), is she the right choice? 

I don't know enough about Stein, but won't write her off yet. 

Good for you, do so. The Republican party is praying for this. The Koch bros. will thank you.

If you think there's no difference between the Republicans and Democrats, think again - Bush vs Obama. Think of our obstructionist congress.

So called liberals who want Sanders and will not vote for Clinton seem like children in a candy store. Not getting their favorite candy they wreck the store.

As, was said in another forum, think

SCOTUS, SCOTUS, SCOTUS ...

Then enjoy having three new Scalia's on the court. A super conservative court for a generation.

Enjoy losing womens health rights, losing voting rights, losing or reducing benefits like social security, the privatization of government or as Kasich carefully said "lets Uberize the Federal Govt", etc.

But what provoked this post was his line, which he repeats often, about wanting to “Uberize” the federal government. Ask yourself: what is that supposed to mean?
Bear in mind that the federal government is best thought of as a giant insurance company with an army. Nondefense spending is dominated by Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and a few smaller social-insurance programs (now including the subsidies in the Affordable Care Act.) How, exactly, is an Uber-like model supposed to do anything to make that work better?
And don’t say it would remove the vast armies of bureaucrats. Administrative costs for those federal programs are actually quite low compared with the private sector, mainly because they’re not trying to deny coverage and don’t engage in competitive advertising.
If Kasich means anything, he means “privatize”, not Uberize — convert Social Security into a giant 401(k) plan, replace Medicare with vouchers. But that wouldn’t poll very well, would it?

A vote for Stein is effectively a vote for the Republican candidate--whoever that will be.

I am a Sanders supporter, but if Clinton gets the nomination I will vote for her. I'm not happy with her, but all the potential GOP nominees scare the crap out of me, and abstaining from voting or voting for a third party would basically be helping the republicans win. I made that mistake in 2000. I will never make that mistake again. 

I usually vote for the libertarian candidate. Sometimes the socialist if I like the way their name rolls off my tongue. It's one of the benefits of living in a deep blue state. 

I'm going to wait until November and then decide what I will do.  I'm not making any promises now.

vote for Hillary   No brainer.

lizziecat said:

A vote for Stein is effectively a vote for the Republican candidate--whoever that will be.

Agreed, and a vote for Stein (like a promise to move to Canada, or staying home from the polls) would be an expression of the privilege you have (be it white, upper middle class, straight, etc.) that makes it OK for you to vote your "conscience" knowing that you will be relatively safe from the results of your actions compared to many of your fellow citizens.

Think hard about who gets hurt if you express your opinion of Sanders or Clinton by helping give the presidency to the Republicans.  

Ralph Nader siphoned off just enough votes from Al Gore in Florida to throw the election to George W in 2000, under the theory that there was no real difference between Republicans and Democrats.  Imagine how the world would have been if we hadn't invaded Iraq, and had a moderate on the Supreme Court instead of Alito.

To address the original question of this thread, most of us for Bernie are for him because we don't have a lot of choice about "what we will do." We will carry on in our lives, we will continue our struggle, will continue to do our best not just to survive but to find meaning in a life that derives its meaning from the quality of love in our family and/or friends, our careers, our jobs, our homes. We will try to appreciate the humble things, our gardens if we are lucky enough to have them, in our villages, communities, and wider communities. We will carry on, and work toward the next election, maintaining hope, always, that the mainstream status quo has heard us, cares about us, and cares what we have said!

Jasmo said:

Ralph Nader siphoned off just enough votes from Al Gore in Florida to throw the election to George W in 2000, under the theory that there was no real difference between Republicans and Democrats.  Imagine how the world would have been if we hadn't invaded Iraq, and had a moderate on the Supreme Court instead of Alito.

As Nader has asked in past, was his candidacy the reason for the Bush presidency or was it that Gore was a lame candidate? Did anyone really WANT to vote for Gore or was it a choice of the lesser....?

Does anyone really WANT to vote for St. Hillary the Anointed? Where is the enthusiasm for her?

Formerlyjerseyjack said:

Jasmo said:

Ralph Nader siphoned off just enough votes from Al Gore in Florida to throw the election to George W in 2000, under the theory that there was no real difference between Republicans and Democrats.  Imagine how the world would have been if we hadn't invaded Iraq, and had a moderate on the Supreme Court instead of Alito.

As Nader has asked in past, was his candidacy the reason for the Bush presidency or was it that Gore was a lame candidate? Did anyone really WANT to vote for Gore or was it a choice of the lesser....?

Does anyone really WANT to vote for St. Hillary the Anointed? Where is the enthusiasm for her?

If enough people vote the sensible choice, the sensible choice will win.

Formerlyjerseyjack said:

Jasmo said:

Ralph Nader siphoned off just enough votes from Al Gore in Florida to throw the election to George W in 2000, under the theory that there was no real difference between Republicans and Democrats.  Imagine how the world would have been if we hadn't invaded Iraq, and had a moderate on the Supreme Court instead of Alito.

As Nader has asked in past, was his candidacy the reason for the Bush presidency or was it that Gore was a lame candidate? Did anyone really WANT to vote for Gore or was it a choice of the lesser....?

Does anyone really WANT to vote for St. Hillary the Anointed? Where is the enthusiasm for her?

Gore was lame. But without Nader drawing votes Gore would have won. We saw how that turned out. George Bush. The decider.

Here we saw Corzine defeated by Christie. Corzine had issues but one of the things that hurt him and was used against him is that he was labeled a Wall St boy, an elitist. People voted for Christie, that nice humble down to earth guy. That really worked out well for us too, didn't it?

Sadly we only have two major parties and its a given the next president will be from those two parties. Taking votes from a major party candidates by giving your votes to a third party will certainly help the candidate from the other major party.

Now is not the time to make a point by voting for a third party candidate considering our fragile economy, our crappy congress, our environmental issues and the likely SCOTUS openings. You can be sure if Republicans get elected the Paris accord will go out the window.

If you don't want to learn from history then you can repeat it. Don't cry later.

BG9 said:

Formerlyjerseyjack said:

Jasmo said:

Ralph Nader siphoned off just enough votes from Al Gore in Florida to throw the election to George W in 2000, under the theory that there was no real difference between Republicans and Democrats.  Imagine how the world would have been if we hadn't invaded Iraq, and had a moderate on the Supreme Court instead of Alito.

As Nader has asked in past, was his candidacy the reason for the Bush presidency or was it that Gore was a lame candidate? Did anyone really WANT to vote for Gore or was it a choice of the lesser....?

Does anyone really WANT to vote for St. Hillary the Anointed? Where is the enthusiasm for her?

Gore was lame. But without Nader drawing votes Gore would have won. We saw how that turned out. George Bush. The decider.

Here we saw Corzine defeated by Christie. Corzine had issues but one of the things that hurt him and was used against him is that he was labeled a Wall St boy, an elitist. People voted for Christie, that nice humble down to earth guy. That really worked out well for us too, didn't it?

Sadly we only have two major parties and its a given the next president will be from those two parties. Taking votes from a major party candidates by giving your votes to a third party will certainly help the candidate from the other major party.

Now is not the time to make a point by voting for a third party candidate considering our fragile economy, our crappy congress, our environmental issues and the likely SCOTUS openings. You can be sure if Republicans get elected the Paris accord will go out the window.

If you don't want to learn from history then you can repeat it. Don't cry later.

What third party?  Which thirty party?

Here's another question, then. Would those of you who are Sanders supporters still be voting for Bernie if he had run as an Independent instead of as a Democratic candidate?

springgreen2 said:

BG9 said:

Formerlyjerseyjack said:

Jasmo said:

Ralph Nader siphoned off just enough votes from Al Gore in Florida to throw the election to George W in 2000, under the theory that there was no real difference between Republicans and Democrats.  Imagine how the world would have been if we hadn't invaded Iraq, and had a moderate on the Supreme Court instead of Alito.

As Nader has asked in past, was his candidacy the reason for the Bush presidency or was it that Gore was a lame candidate? Did anyone really WANT to vote for Gore or was it a choice of the lesser....?

Does anyone really WANT to vote for St. Hillary the Anointed? Where is the enthusiasm for her?

Gore was lame. But without Nader drawing votes Gore would have won. We saw how that turned out. George Bush. The decider.

Here we saw Corzine defeated by Christie. Corzine had issues but one of the things that hurt him and was used against him is that he was labeled a Wall St boy, an elitist. People voted for Christie, that nice humble down to earth guy. That really worked out well for us too, didn't it?

Sadly we only have two major parties and its a given the next president will be from those two parties. Taking votes from a major party candidates by giving your votes to a third party will certainly help the candidate from the other major party.

Now is not the time to make a point by voting for a third party candidate considering our fragile economy, our crappy congress, our environmental issues and the likely SCOTUS openings. You can be sure if Republicans get elected the Paris accord will go out the window.

If you don't want to learn from history then you can repeat it. Don't cry later.

What third party?  Which thirty party?

Look again at the OP post and some who here said they'll vote for a third party candidate if Sander's is not nominated.

The same issue is if you don't vote at all if you're normally a Republican or a Democrat. You then only help the other major party candidate.

The only time that may not apply is if you're in a deep blue state like RobB said or deep red state. 

ridski said:

Here's another question, then. Would those of you who are Sanders supporters still be voting for Bernie if he had run as an Independent instead of as a Democratic candidate?

I can't speak for others, but personally I can say no, I would not.

BG9 said:

springgreen2 said:

BG9 said:

Formerlyjerseyjack said:

Jasmo said:

Ralph Nader siphoned off just enough votes from Al Gore in Florida to throw the election to George W in 2000, under the theory that there was no real difference between Republicans and Democrats.  Imagine how the world would have been if we hadn't invaded Iraq, and had a moderate on the Supreme Court instead of Alito.

As Nader has asked in past, was his candidacy the reason for the Bush presidency or was it that Gore was a lame candidate? Did anyone really WANT to vote for Gore or was it a choice of the lesser....?

Does anyone really WANT to vote for St. Hillary the Anointed? Where is the enthusiasm for her?

Gore was lame. But without Nader drawing votes Gore would have won. We saw how that turned out. George Bush. The decider.

Here we saw Corzine defeated by Christie. Corzine had issues but one of the things that hurt him and was used against him is that he was labeled a Wall St boy, an elitist. People voted for Christie, that nice humble down to earth guy. That really worked out well for us too, didn't it?

Sadly we only have two major parties and its a given the next president will be from those two parties. Taking votes from a major party candidates by giving your votes to a third party will certainly help the candidate from the other major party.

Now is not the time to make a point by voting for a third party candidate considering our fragile economy, our crappy congress, our environmental issues and the likely SCOTUS openings. You can be sure if Republicans get elected the Paris accord will go out the window.

If you don't want to learn from history then you can repeat it. Don't cry later.

What third party?  Which thirty party?

Look again at the OP post and some who here said they'll vote for a third party candidate if Sander's is not nominated.


The same issue is if you don't vote at all if you're normally a Republican or a Democrat. You then only help the other major party candidate.

The only time that may not apply is if you're in a deep blue state like RobB said or deep red state. 

Or, because this is a republic, all the delegates are already doin' their thing, regardless of whom actual, everyday citizens vote for.

You aren't supposed to organize and extract blood promises from your superdelegates years before the primaries. That's not constututional. It is fraud. It stinks of cronyism, it's a political cartel, and it's highly corrupt. Clintons have a way of just smiling and waving it away. Bernie has the potential to put an end to that, by the books.

spontaneous said:

ridski said:

Here's another question, then. Would those of you who are Sanders supporters still be voting for Bernie if he had run as an Independent instead of as a Democratic candidate?

I can't speak for others, but personally I can say no, I would not.

Thanks. Not to put your decision as THE example, but as AN example, if all you need to see is a (D) after the name in order stop the (R) after the opponent's name, both parties could run a salmon (D) and a trout (R) as your presidential candidates and there's piss-all you can do about it but press your button. 

springgreen2 said:

You aren't supposed to organize and extract blood promises from your superdelegates years before the primaries. That's not constututional. It is fraud. It stinks of cronyism, it's a political cartel, and it's highly corrupt. Clintons have a way of just smiling and waving it away. Bernie has the potential to put an end to that, by the books.

The parties are not bound by the Constitution.  It IS a political cartel.

And Bernie has the potential to accomplish nothing.

Absent a viable third party, nothing much is going to change.

tjohn said:

springgreen2 said:

You aren't supposed to organize and extract blood promises from your superdelegates years before the primaries. That's not constututional. It is fraud. It stinks of cronyism, it's a political cartel, and it's highly corrupt. Clintons have a way of just smiling and waving it away. Bernie has the potential to put an end to that, by the books.

The parties are not bound by the Constitution.  It IS a political cartel.

And Bernie has the potential to accomplish nothing.

Absent a viable third party, nothing much is going to change.

We shall see, tjohn, we shall see.

Steve said:

vote for Hillary   No brainer.

+1

I have said it before but I will say it again.  I will vote AGAINST Trump/Cruz/Scalia.

The idea that you have to vote FOR someone is nonsense.

springgreen2 said:

You aren't supposed to organize and extract blood promises from your superdelegates years before the primaries. That's not constututional. 

This seems to be a matter of contention.  Can you please explain exactly HOW this is "not constitutional"?

Klinker said:

springgreen2 said:

You aren't supposed to organize and extract blood promises from your superdelegates years before the primaries. That's not constututional. 

This seems to be a matter of contention.  Can you please explain exactly HOW this is "not constitutional"?

"I don't like it."

Klinker said:

springgreen2 said:

You aren't supposed to organize and extract blood promises from your superdelegates years before the primaries. That's not constututional. 

This seems to be a matter of contention.  Can you please explain exactly HOW this is "not constitutional"?

Bribery and/or extortion for votes are constitutional?

springgreen2 said:

And Bernie has the potential to accomplish nothing.

Absolutely true. We ain't gonna get free college education, student debt forgiveness, Medicaid for all, a hot dog in every outdoor grill.

The point is, with the other present candidates, things would get worse. At least one more major war, loosening of financial regulations, lower taxes for billionaires and so forth.

The Republicans will see to it that nothing gets made better. But Bernie will not work to make things worse.

Formerlyjerseyjack said:

springgreen2 said:

And Bernie has the potential to accomplish nothing.

Absolutely true. We ain't gonna get free college education, student debt forgiveness, Medicaid for all, a hot dog in every outdoor grill.

The point is, with the other present candidates, things would get worse. At least one more major war, loosening of financial regulations, lower taxes for billionaires and so forth.

The Republicans will see to it that nothing gets made better. But Bernie will not work to make things worse.

@formerlyjerseyjack:

You didnt quote me properly. I believe Bernie has the ability to change everything. You attributed a quote of tjohn's to me. Please take care!