HIllary Clinton is the most progressive Democratic candidate for President since.... Roosevelt?

Not sure how far back to go. You can certainly make a case that Johnson ended up being more progressive - but as a candidate that was all an unknown.

Kennedy - was he really that progressive?

Nah - Roosevelt.

So all of you Democratic Hillary bashers - maybe you should clam up. WTF more do you want in a candidate?

drummerboy said:

Not sure how far back to go. You can certainly make a case that Johnson ended up being more progressive - but as a candidate that was all an unknown.

Kennedy - was he really that progressive?

Nah - Roosevelt.

So all of you Democratic Hillary bashers - maybe you should clam up. WTF more do you want in a candidate?

One who is less grasping and greedy, who is not known as a major league liar

who does not conspire with the DNC to steal the Democratic nomination from its the person who should possess it

who does not use connection after connection to avoid charges regarding truly inane use of government e mails

Who owns less than a million pairs of pants suits

who inspires confidence in the electorate by giving more than boiler plate speeches

who knows what is like to get some dirt under her finger nails

who did not ride her husbands coat tails and move to another state to run as a carpet bagger and obtain a Senate Seat

Who is the type of person who could truly qualify for a Nobel Prize and not a magazine cover

who does not personify political correctness but shows courage when it is called for

Like Jimmy Carter I ask, "Why not the best"?

drummerboy said:

Not sure how far back to go.

Probably back to June and Bernie Sanders. Seriously dude. Every day I struggle to stay on the path to casting my vote for HRC. Please don't make it harder by posting absolute nonsense like this.

Klinker said:

drummerboy said:

Not sure how far back to go.

Probably back to June and Bernie Sanders. Seriously dude. Every day I struggle to stay on the path to casting my vote for HRC. Please don't make it harder by posting absolute nonsense like this.

I heard an adjective but not one single counter argument If you have to struggle to stay on the Path of the great

phony what does that tell you?

Y

You can do the honorable thing and write in your vote for the man who should be the nominee

Pragmatic no.................but pragmatism and honor do not go hand in hand

Follow your conscience...............you will take the blows and may not win any popularity contests

But just remember , the lesser of two Evils is still Evil

You can march to a different drummer and not hate yourself in the morning

Not easy to shave when you are avoiding the mirror

The honorable thing is to insure my children have a world to live in. In this particular election, that means doing everything possible to see that a Monster does not get elected.

drummerboy said:

Not sure how far back to go. You can certainly make a case that Johnson ended up being more progressive - but as a candidate that was all an unknown.

Kennedy - was he really that progressive?

Nah - Roosevelt.

So all of you Democratic Hillary bashers - maybe you should clam up. WTF more do you want in a candidate?

George McGovern?

Klinker said:

The honorable thing is to insure my children have a world to live in. In this particular election, that means doing everything possible to see that a Monster does not get elected.

I have three grand children and a wonderful daughter who has followed the typical pattern of those of us on the left

She became a liberal. Well you cannot win them all.

And before I will allow my three little guys to be become hamburger meat in the eternal war machine I will take them to the land of their

ancestors and allow them a free and good life.

That was two monsters getting elected

One practices political correctness

And the other thinks he is above it all

A true lose, lose, situation

Oh. My bad. Didn't realize that Bernie was the Democratic candidate.

How did I miss that?

Klinker said:

drummerboy said:

Not sure how far back to go.

Probably back to June and Bernie Sanders. Seriously dude. Every day I struggle to stay on the path to casting my vote for HRC. Please don't make it harder by posting absolute nonsense like this.

Yes, McGovern gave me pause, but I honestly am not familiar enough with his domestic policy positions to say one way or another. Anyway, at worst she would be the most progressive candidate in 45 years.

Still not too shabby.

LOST said:

drummerboy said:

Not sure how far back to go. You can certainly make a case that Johnson ended up being more progressive - but as a candidate that was all an unknown.

Kennedy - was he really that progressive?

Nah - Roosevelt.

So all of you Democratic Hillary bashers - maybe you should clam up. WTF more do you want in a candidate?

George McGovern?

author said:

Klinker said:

The honorable thing is to insure my children have a world to live in. In this particular election, that means doing everything possible to see that a Monster does not get elected.

I have three grand children and a wonderful daughter who has followed the typical pattern of those of us on the left

She became a liberal. Well you cannot win them all.

And before I will allow my three little guys to be become hamburger meat in the eternal war machine I will take them to the land of their

ancestors and allow them a free and good life.

That was two monsters getting elected

One practices political correctness

And the other thinks he is above it all

A true lose, lose, situation

If you want to leave because you didn't get your way no one can stop you, but it's a terrible lesson to teach your grandchildren. I hope their parents point that out. You have a chance to help stop the most vile person to ever run for president and instead you are running away. All of the Greeks in my family, save one, are holding back on the drama and hand wringing and trying to help stop this man.

author said:


Follow your conscience...............you will take the blows and may not win any popularity contests

You must have some conscience that would allow you to cast a vote such that you are enabling a real pig of a man.

drummerboy said:

Oh. My bad. Didn't realize that Bernie was the Democratic candidate.




How did I miss that?

Klinker said:

drummerboy said:

Not sure how far back to go.

Probably back to June and Bernie Sanders. Seriously dude. Every day I struggle to stay on the path to casting my vote for HRC. Please don't make it harder by posting absolute nonsense like this.

Are you confusing the word "candidate" with the word "nominee"?

I am voting for HRC. Be happy for that but don't pee on my head and tell me that it is raining. The woman is a moderate Republican and, in this sad age, that is the best choice that we have. I am voting for HRC so that I will have the option of voting for someone else in 4 years. If Trump becomes President, I think the prospect of holding elections in the future becomes dim.

is she really more liberal than Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry or Obama? More than Bill, yes.

I'd have to see point by point comparisons among all those candidates before I accept this premise.

Klinker said:

The woman is a moderate Republican and, in this sad age, that is the best choice that we have.

My goodness, you've either not read/listened to anything on her proposed policy agenda or you don't know the last 50 years of history.

author said:



And before I will allow my three little guys to be become hamburger meat in the eternal war machine I will take them to the land of their

ancestors and allow them a free and good life.

I thought you were Greek.

mjh said:

Klinker said:

The woman is a moderate Republican and, in this sad age, that is the best choice that we have.

My goodness, you've either not read/listened to anything on her proposed policy agenda or you don't know the last 50 years of history.

Perhaps you are confused by the apparent contradictions between her "public" and "private" positions on policy. I suggest you read today's NYT. Of course, anyone who had been paying even minimal attention to the discourse during the primary would have heard all of this even if they chose to hide their heads in the partisan sand.

That said, as the decidedly lesser of two conservative evils, HRC has my vote. Just to be clear.

FilmCarp said:

author said:

Klinker said:

The honorable thing is to insure my children have a world to live in. In this particular election, that means doing everything possible to see that a Monster does not get elected.

I have three grand children and a wonderful daughter who has followed the typical pattern of those of us on the left

She became a liberal. Well you cannot win them all.

And before I will allow my three little guys to be become hamburger meat in the eternal war machine I will take them to the land of their

ancestors and allow them a free and good life.

That was two monsters getting elected

One practices political correctness

And the other thinks he is above it all

A true lose, lose, situation

If you want to leave because you didn't get your way no one can stop you, but it's a terrible lesson to teach your grandchildren. I hope their parents point that out. You have a chance to help stop the most vile person to ever run for president and instead you are running away. All of the Greeks in my family, save one, are holding back on the drama and hand wringing and trying to help stop this man.

If you read what I said, you would see that I am not running away. Paid my dues in the 60's behind bars while the rest of the country took years to figure out what they had allowed happen

Yes, I sat on the Group W bench although Arlo was not there at the time.

I have been questioned by the FBI, the Secret Service and more recently Home Land security before being allowed

back in the country

My concern is not to allow my grandsons to be caught up in the eternal madness which sends are children

back in body bags from God knows where now and in the future

I am of Spartan blood but reject the Masters of War who seem to always get their way

The Electoral Process offers me little solace

Meet the new bosses, same as the old

Klinker said:

mjh said:

Klinker said:

The woman is a moderate Republican and, in this sad age, that is the best choice that we have.

My goodness, you've either not read/listened to anything on her proposed policy agenda or you don't know the last 50 years of history.

Perhaps you are confused by the apparent contradictions between her "public" and "private" positions on policy. I suggest you read today's NYT. Of course, anyone who had been paying even minimal attention to the discourse during the primary would have heard all of this even if they chose to hide their heads in the partisan sand.

That said, as the decidedly lesser of two conservative evils, HRC has my vote. Just to be clear.

Yeah, right, she's a secret Republican and only really smart people like you, who can read the invisible ink between the lines, really gets it.

mjh said:

Yeah, right, she's a secret Republican and only really smart people like you, who can read the invisible ink between the lines, really gets it.

It all comes down to "private positions" and "public positions" as the HRC campaign would put it. There's what she tells the suckers and there's what she tells the donors.

I would prefer a candidate who just has (progressive) positions.

mjh said:

Klinker said:

mjh said:

Klinker said:

The woman is a moderate Republican and, in this sad age, that is the best choice that we have.

My goodness, you've either not read/listened to anything on her proposed policy agenda or you don't know the last 50 years of history.

Perhaps you are confused by the apparent contradictions between her "public" and "private" positions on policy. I suggest you read today's NYT. Of course, anyone who had been paying even minimal attention to the discourse during the primary would have heard all of this even if they chose to hide their heads in the partisan sand.

That said, as the decidedly lesser of two conservative evils, HRC has my vote. Just to be clear.

Yeah, right, she's a secret Republican and only really smart people like you, who can read the invisible ink between the lines, really gets it.

Seriously. She's waaay more hawkish than a moderate republican.

ml1 said:

is she really more liberal than Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry or Obama? More than Bill, yes.

I'd have to see point by point comparisons among all those candidates before I accept this premise.

I'd also like to see the comparisons on these candidates, and I'd add Stevenson. I wouldn't include Carter the candidate but as a former President he's far more progressive than Hillary.

Attn. Hillary loyalists!!

If a Bernie supporter says that they will be voting for your candidate but they still want to vent, let them do it! LET IT GO!!! What is more important, your desire to feel correct on the issue or their vote?

Klinker said:

mjh said:

Yeah, right, she's a secret Republican and only really smart people like you, who can read the invisible ink between the lines, really gets it.

It all comes down to "private positions" and "public positions" as the HRC campaign would put it. There's what she tells the suckers and there's what she tells the donors.

I would prefer a candidate who just has (progressive) positions.

Maybe she views the donors as the suckers and she tells them what they want to hear.

Klinker said:

mjh said:

Yeah, right, she's a secret Republican and only really smart people like you, who can read the invisible ink between the lines, really gets it.

It all comes down to "private positions" and "public positions" as the HRC campaign would put it. There's what she tells the suckers and there's what she tells the donors.

I would prefer a candidate who just has (progressive) positions.

The "private" vs "public" position thing is yet another huge nothing burger.

Please give us one example of where her "public" and "private" positions have significantly diverged.

But I'm afraid you can't. Because it's a big nothing, added to all of the other big nothings about Hillary.

Agreed...Klinker has thought this through and is going to do what is best for his children, and the long run, by keeping Trump out of office and preserving what we can of a Progressive movement. I honor him and the pain this causes him, and see him as a partner in the fight for a better world for all of our children.

jeffhandy said:

Attn. Hillary loyalists!!

If a Bernie supporter says that they will be voting for your candidate but they still want to vent, let them do it! LET IT GO!!! What is more important, your desire to feel correct on the issue or their vote?

I don't find Hillary to be very progressive.

yahooyahoo said:

I don't find Hillary to be very progressive.

Well that depends. If she's really progressive will she get to be president? If you can convince her of this, she'll wear a soup label to the next debate.

yahooyahoo said:

I don't find Hillary to be very progressive.

Neither do I because she isn't.