Dr. Carson and Article VI
I truly believe that the Republican candidates are trying to outcrazy each other.
Dr. Carson proves that one can be extraordinary in one field and clueless in another, yet feel that one's specialty is an entitlement to expound on another area in which he has no expertise or experience or depth.
If he were so christian, he'd be doing volunteer neurosurgery on third-world kids.There's a great way to use your talents and also express your chrisitanity. The guy needs a hobby rather than a selfish mission to become an overnight statesman and con hero.
FYI, Ben Carson's scholarship program has awarded over $6.7 million.
And no, I'm not voting for him.
Donald Trump gives about that much to St Jude's Childrens hospital each year. I'm not voting for him either.
LL_ said:
I truly believe that the Republican candidates are trying to out-crazy each other.
That was no "debate" that we saw, but a middle school smack-down complete with epic half-truths (lies.) It was the worst that I have ever seen.
I'm not voting for Rand Paul but it takes much more commitment to visit 3rd world country and do eye surgery than to collect money.
Carson is a bigot playing to a base that considers bigotry to be a feature, not a bug.
FWIW Dr Carson explained what he meant. He was referring to a Muslim who believed Sharia law superseded US law.
It is similar to the accusation a Catholic would be controlled by the Pope. Catholics running for office, when accused of being anti abortion, routinely respond that, while they oppose abortion personally, will follow the law, while says abortion is legal.
Take it for what it's worth.
BCC said:
FWIW Dr Carson explained what he meant. He was referring to a Muslim who believed Sharia law superseded US law.
I saw when he was asked the question. That is not what he said.
He said Islam is not consistent with out constitution and therefore does not advocate a Muslim in charge of our nation. Period.
He's now spinning it. Not even a good spin.
BCC said:
FWIW Dr Carson explained what he meant. He was referring to a Muslim who believed Sharia law superseded US law.
It is similar to the accusation a Catholic would be controlled by the Pope. Catholics running for office, when accused of being anti abortion, routinely respond that, while they oppose abortion personally, will follow the law, while says abortion is legal.
Take it for what it's worth.
He did NOT mention Sharia law at any time. HIs words were, especially for him, quite clear that Muslims "need not apply."
GOPers generally can outdo Michael Jackson in walking stuff backward. It's kind of a specialty move for them. Shoot from the hip; get response; moonwalk.
The full transcript digs his hole a little deeper.
Never for president, maybe for congress but it depends on the person.
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-transcript-september-20-2015-n430581
Who cares.
Ben Carson is a smart stupid guy who appeals to dumb voters who imagine him to be a kindly, affable non threatening Negro and soft spoken country doctor who's somehow going to 'shake up things in DC'. These same voters also believe the current African American president is really a Muslim interloper who hates white people. Carson will never win his party's nomination and will never get anywhere close to the presidency. He's on minute 12 out of 15.
BG9 said:
BCC said:I saw when he was asked the question. That is not what he said.
FWIW Dr Carson explained what he meant. He was referring to a Muslim who believed Sharia law superseded US law.
He said Islam is not consistent with out constitution and therefore does not advocate a Muslim in charge of our nation. Period.
He's now spinning it. Not even a good spin.
Dennis_Seelbach said:
BCC said:He did NOT mention Sharia law at any time. HIs words were, especially for him, quite clear that Muslims "need not apply."
FWIW Dr Carson explained what he meant. He was referring to a Muslim who believed Sharia law superseded US law.
It is similar to the accusation a Catholic would be controlled by the Pope. Catholics running for office, when accused of being anti abortion, routinely respond that, while they oppose abortion personally, will follow the law, while says abortion is legal.
Take it for what it's worth.
Then you didn't see the clip where he said what I quoted.
CHUCK TODD: Let me wrap this up by finally dealing with what's been going on, Donald Trump, and a deal with a questioner that claimed that the president was Muslim. Let me ask you the question this way: Should a President's faith matter? Should your faith matter to voters?
DR. BEN CARSON:
Well, I guess it depends on what that faith is. If it's inconsistent with the values and principles of America, then of course it should matter. But if it fits within the realm of America and consistent with the constitution, no problem.
CHUCK TODD:
So do you believe that Islam is consistent with the constitution?
DR. BEN CARSON:
No, I don't, I do not.
CHUCK TODD:
So you--
DR. BEN CARSON:
I would not advocate that we put a Muslim in charge of this nation. I absolutely would not agree with that.
It's from the transcript. Another poster provided the link.
In an interview with The Hill, Carson opened up about why he believes a Muslim would be unfit to serve as commander in chief.
“I do not believe Sharia is consistent with the Constitution of this country,” Carson said, referencing the Islamic law derived from the Koran and traditions of Islam. “Muslims feel that their religion is very much a part of your public life and what you do as a public official, and that’s inconsistent with our principles and our Constitution.”
Carson said that the only exception he’d make would be if the Muslim running for office “publicly rejected all the tenants of Sharia and lived a life consistent with that.”
“Then I wouldn’t have any problem,” he said.
However, on several occasions Carson mentioned "Taqiyya," a practice in the Shia Islam denomination in which a Muslim can mislead nonbelievers about the nature of their faith to avoid religious persecution.
“Taqiyya is a component of Shia that allows, and even encourages you to lie to achieve your goals,” Carson said.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/254330-carson-doubles-down-on-no-muslims-in-the-white-house
nohero said:
CHUCK TODD: Let me wrap this up by finally dealing with what's been going on, Donald Trump, and a deal with a questioner that claimed that the president was Muslim. Let me ask you the question this way: Should a President's faith matter? Should your faith matter to voters?It's from the transcript. Another poster provided the link.
DR. BEN CARSON:
Well, I guess it depends on what that faith is. If it's inconsistent with the values and principles of America, then of course it should matter. But if it fits within the realm of America and consistent with the constitution, no problem.
CHUCK TODD:
So do you believe that Islam is consistent with the constitution?
DR. BEN CARSON:
No, I don't, I do not.
CHUCK TODD:
So you--
DR. BEN CARSON:
I would not advocate that we put a Muslim in charge of this nation. I absolutely would not agree with that.
What part of this do some of you have difficulty understanding? I watched and am aware of the above clip. SO WHAT?
I have clearly stated there was a later clip in which Carson moderated the statement as I described. You can claim he was walking back his statement, he didn't mean it, the first clip indicates his true feelings or he's a Yankee fan.
No one has to believe him and I doubt he will ever get the nomination and I wouldn't vote for him if he did.
It's not worth any more of my time to continue to try to explain it to anyone still doesn't understand what I wrote.
ridski said:
In an interview with The Hill, Carson opened up about why he believes a Muslim would be unfit to serve as commander in chief.
“I do not believe Sharia is consistent with the Constitution of this country,” Carson said, referencing the Islamic law derived from the Koran and traditions of Islam. “Muslims feel that their religion is very much a part of your public life and what you do as a public official, and that’s inconsistent with our principles and our Constitution.”
Carson said that the only exception he’d make would be if the Muslim running for office “publicly rejected all the tenants of Sharia and lived a life consistent with that.”
“Then I wouldn’t have any problem,” he said.
However, on several occasions Carson mentioned "Taqiyya," a practice in the Shia Islam denomination in which a Muslim can mislead nonbelievers about the nature of their faith to avoid religious persecution.
“Taqiyya is a component of Shia that allows, and even encourages you to lie to achieve your goals,” Carson said.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/254330-carson-doubles-down-on-no-muslims-in-the-white-house
Well, if he thought that was good "spin", he was wrong.
It made him sound ignorant and prejudiced. He is basing his policy position on a "cartoon-like" view of another person's religious beliefs. He is playing to his base (bigoted), and trying to sound "reasonable" to the rest.
BCC said:
I have clearly stated there was a later clip in which Carson moderated the statement as I described. You can claim he was walking back his statement, he didn't mean it, the first clip indicates his true feelings or he's a Yankee fan.
No one has to believe him and I doubt he will ever get the nomination and I wouldn't vote for him if he did.
It's not worth any more of my time to continue to try to explain it to anyone still doesn't understand what I wrote.
I guess "moderated the statement" is in the eye of the beholder.
Maybe I am missing something: Ben Carson thinks that Islam is not compatible with our system of government. He would oppose a Muslim running for president. Did he say somewhere that it should be illegal? Not that I heard anyway. I agree with him that Islam as broadly practiced and the Koran specifically are not compatible with our system of government. I would not vote for a Muslim for president. It is not bigotry, it is a difference of opinion about how things should be ordered in this world. Is there a country in the world that is run by a Muslim that anyone thinks works nearly as well as ours? Anyone planning on moving to that country?
One would think Dr. Carson knows a bit about religious exclusion...
Dr. Ben Carson was left out of a Christian pastors' conference earlier this year in part because his own religious beliefs deviated too much from Christian orthodoxy.
The snub was ironic in hindsight, as Carson is now under fire for saying over the weekend that he didn't believe a Muslim should be President of the United States because his or her religious beliefs would be in conflict with the Constitution.
Willy Rice, the pastor of Florida-based Calvary Baptist Church, invited the retired neurosurgeon to speak at the Southern Baptist Pastors' Conference earlier this year. The invite for the June conference came before Carson was a declared Republican presidential candidate.
However, several organizations and individuals within the Southern Baptist community publicly expressed their displeasure with having Carson, a Seventh-day Adventist, address the conference. Those complaints, in addition to Carson's expected presidential campaign launch, led Carson and the conference organizers to mutually agree to not have him speak at the event.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/
Shocking levels of ignorance and fear detected.
Shutting down.
Byoooooooooop.
nohero said:
BCC said:I guess "moderated the statement" is in the eye of the beholder.
I have clearly stated there was a later clip in which Carson moderated the statement as I described. You can claim he was walking back his statement, he didn't mean it, the first clip indicates his true feelings or he's a Yankee fan.
No one has to believe him and I doubt he will ever get the nomination and I wouldn't vote for him if he did.
It's not worth any more of my time to continue to try to explain it to anyone still doesn't understand what I wrote.
Trying to nit pick in order to start an argument ? Please don't be offended if I don't respond to any more of your nonsense.
notupset said:
I agree with him that Islam as broadly practiced and the Koran specifically are not compatible with our system of government. I would not vote for a Muslim for president. It is not bigotry, it is a difference of opinion about how things should be ordered in this world.
Thank you for sharing a picture of your knowledge and understanding.
The good doctor will be a trivia question in 5 years...maybe 10. What an embarrassing crew. Talk about religious fanaticism. The GOP is full of it.
Republican Ben Carson, MD, stated on TV that he would oppose any adherent of Islam from being President. He said that Islam is incompatible with the Constitution. Perhaps he ought to read it.
The first Presidential election to which I paid attention featured many voters who felt that Roman Catholicism was incompatible with the Presidency.
Forty years later there were even a few voters who questioned Gore's choice of a Jew as a running mate, but it was very few and not one political candidate went anywhere near that.
If Dr. Carson actually believes what he said and sticks with it as far as I am concerned it disqualifies HIM from the Presidency.