Ahh, the soft fascism of leftist political correctness

So the left feels it is ok to shut down roads and inconvenience many uninvolved people but writing, in chalk a simple comment that differs from the dogma of the day means the crisis team needs to be brought in to sanitize the situation.

Absurd and dangerous.

"The president of Emory University has spoken to demonstrators who said they were frightened after someone wrote 'Trump 2016' in chalk around campus.
Students at the Atlanta school, which has an enrollment of more than 14,000 claim their 'safe space' was violated when the messages appeared on sidewalks and buildings.
Jim Wagner, president of the Atlanta university, wrote Tuesday that the students viewed the messages as intimidation, and they voiced 'genuine concern and pain' as a result.
He acted after student government wrote to him and slammed the university's response, prompting a meeting that led to protests. 
Now administrators want to track down those responsible for the controversial markings. 
But some commentators on the university's student newspaper website told the students to grow up and accused them of being babies.  

The president of Emory University has spoken to demonstrators who said they were frightened after someone wrote 'Trump 2016' in chalk around campus

Students at the Atlanta school, which has an enrollment of more than 14,000 claim their 'safe space' was violated when the messages appeared on sidewalks and buildings

University organizations offered students counselling after the markings were spotted on parts of campus 

As a result student organizations offered counselling to anyone who may have been impacted by what they had seen. "

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3506491/Emory-president-Students-scared-Trump-2016-chalk-signs.html#ixzz43p1aba6h 

Reading the whole article made for interesting reading. It is no surprise that some kids on campus are "babies".  I grew up in the hippie era, and always thought it was immature to talk about peace and love like it was a feasible way to achieve much of anything. Although I don't agree with these kids, I can understand that living in the hotbed of redneck Dixie conservatism, someone pushing for Trump could feel frightening. I would guess the Emory campus feels like an oasis, and they are frightened about what is around them. Not defending them, just trying to get inside their heads. BTW, the president of Emory didnt back them up. He was just giving the opportunity for dialogue.Sounds about right to me. Though I confess I don't that much from this one article from the Daily Mail.

I know, right? People who deface private property like that need to be caught and taught a lesson, IMNARO. 

conspicuously absent from the story is the number of students who are protesting.  I can only conclude that the number is very small, or it would have been part of the article.  The only reason for its omission would be if the number undercuts the story. if it was 1,000 students, I'm sure it would have been noted. 

I count about 18 in the first pic from this article. http://emorywheel.com/emory-students-express-discontent-with-administrative-response-to-trump-chalkings/

so there you have it.  Forty kids at a university of 14,000.  BFD.

gerryl said:

Reading the whole article made for interesting reading. It is no surprise that some kids on campus are "babies".  I grew up in the hippie era, and always thought it was immature to talk about peace and love like it was a feasible way to achieve much of anything. Although I don't agree with these kids, I can understand that living in the hotbed of redneck Dixie conservatism, someone pushing for Trump could feel frightening. I would guess the Emory campus feels like an oasis, and they are frightened about what is around them. Not defending them, just trying to get inside their heads. BTW, the president of Emory didnt back them up. He was just giving the opportunity for dialogue.Sounds about right to me. Though I confess I don't that much from this one article from the Daily Mail.

Emory is in DeKalb county. How are we defining "redneck"? 

Like a bad mortgage, a right-wing meme is officially "underwater" when the number of Fox News segments dedicated to it exceeds the actual number of members in the group.

Add this one to the New Black Panther Party and the 2008 PUMA Democrats who were going to refuse to support President Obama in the general election. 

Jackson_Fusion said:
Emory is in DeKalb county. How are we defining "redneck"? 

Well, it's about 10 miles from Stone Mountain, which figures prominently in KKK history and has an enormous sculpture paying tribute to leaders of the Confederacy.

Well, zoinks is a Pinochet apologist. So probably his concern here is the "soft" part of soft fascism. From what I can gather, he prefers his fascism to have a harder edge to it. If no one's been disappeared, you're not doing it right.

PVW said:

Well, zoinks is a Pinochet apologist. So probably his concern here is the "soft" part of soft fascism. From what I can gather, he prefers his fascism to have a harder edge to it. If no one's been disappeared, you're not doing it right.

We don't have to go all the way to Chile under the junta.  Just read the quotes from Trump and Cruz in today's paper for some "harder" versions.

[Edited to add] If someone had randomly chalked swastikas all over a campus, we wouldn't be having this discussion, by the way.

nohero said:

Jackson_Fusion said:
Emory is in DeKalb county. How are we defining "redneck"? 

Well, it's about 10 miles from Stone Mountain, which figures prominently in KKK history and has an enormous sculpture paying tribute to leaders of the Confederacy.

Well, if anything the area around the mountain is even less "redneck".

That said, as an organization that sprung up from the Democratic Party, and as a monument that was commissioned, maintained, and eventually purchased under an unbroken string of Democrat governors from 1877 to 2003, I'm not sure how that should be laid at the doorstep of a (self proclaimed) Republican candidate.

Being afraid of Trump supporters isn't "political correctness" it is common sense.  

Oh, please, don't go to the "Democrats are the real racists" argument.  All the good ol' segregationists relocated to the GOP years ago, starting with the "Dixiecrats".

Jackson_Fusion said:

nohero said:

Jackson_Fusion said:
Emory is in DeKalb county. How are we defining "redneck"? 

Well, it's about 10 miles from Stone Mountain, which figures prominently in KKK history and has an enormous sculpture paying tribute to leaders of the Confederacy.

Well, if anything the area around the mountain is even less "redneck".

That said, as an organization that sprung up from the Democratic Party, and as a monument that was commissioned, maintained, and eventually purchased under an unbroken string of Democrat governors from 1877 to 2003, I'm not sure how that should be laid at the doorstep of a (self proclaimed) Republican candidate.

If there is a silver lining to the collapse of the GOP this year is that the term "played the race card" has finally been made irrelevant by Republican Racism's proud emergence from its unconvincing closet.

Klinker said:

If there is a silver lining to the collapse of the GOP this year is that the term "played the race card" has finally been made irrelevant by Republican Racism's proud emergence from its unconvincing closet.

#Preach

nohero said:

Oh, please, don't go to the "Democrats are the real racists" argument.  All the good ol' segregationists relocated to the GOP years ago, starting with the "Dixiecrats".

Jackson_Fusion said:

nohero said:

Jackson_Fusion said:
Emory is in DeKalb county. How are we defining "redneck"? 

Well, it's about 10 miles from Stone Mountain, which figures prominently in KKK history and has an enormous sculpture paying tribute to leaders of the Confederacy.

Well, if anything the area around the mountain is even less "redneck".

That said, as an organization that sprung up from the Democratic Party, and as a monument that was commissioned, maintained, and eventually purchased under an unbroken string of Democrat governors from 1877 to 2003, I'm not sure how that should be laid at the doorstep of a (self proclaimed) Republican candidate.

No arguments buddy! You're sharing opinion, I'm just sharing facts. Someone brought up the civil rights movement in another thread to justify harassing Trump rally goers and delegates. Fun fact- not only was George Wallace a Democrat, but so was Bull Connor! In fact, he was a state senator for years and a Delegate to the DNC.

In fact, the vast majority of Dixiecrats returned to the Democratic Party after the 1948 election. They even had to take a loyalty pledge to the party.

Of course, it was Ike who sent the 101st Airborne to nudge Wallace out of the schoolyard door. 

William Fullbright and Robert Byrd (Kleagle Byrd to some) filibustered the Civil Rights Act. Al Gore, Sr voted against it. This was 1964, not 1948.

Go do a little reading on the vote totals in 1964. Republicans in both the house and senate voted "yea" at considerably higher rates than Democrats. Looked at another way, in the Senate alone 80% of the "nay" vote came from Democrats.

The Dixiecrat party at that point was gone for 16 years.

3 Dixiecrats became Republican senators- Thurmond, Helms, and Miles Godwin. The Democrats kept the rest, and re-elected one of em right up until he died in 2010.

Are there racists in political parties today? Sure! But re-writing history to cast one party as the racist party and the other as righteous heroes is just silly.

Very good.  You have established that the two parties have swapped the racist mantle.  The real racists don't change - their party, evidently, does.

Jackson_Fusion said:

nohero said:

Oh, please, don't go to the "Democrats are the real racists" argument.  All the good ol' segregationists relocated to the GOP years ago, starting with the "Dixiecrats".

Jackson_Fusion said:

nohero said:

Jackson_Fusion said:
Emory is in DeKalb county. How are we defining "redneck"? 

Well, it's about 10 miles from Stone Mountain, which figures prominently in KKK history and has an enormous sculpture paying tribute to leaders of the Confederacy.

Well, if anything the area around the mountain is even less "redneck".

That said, as an organization that sprung up from the Democratic Party, and as a monument that was commissioned, maintained, and eventually purchased under an unbroken string of Democrat governors from 1877 to 2003, I'm not sure how that should be laid at the doorstep of a (self proclaimed) Republican candidate.

No arguments buddy! You're sharing opinion, I'm just sharing facts. Someone brought up the civil rights movement in another thread to justify harassing Trump rally goers and delegates. Fun fact- not only was George Wallace a Democrat, but so was Bull Connor! In fact, he was a state senator for years and a Delegate to the DNC.

In fact, the vast majority of Dixiecrats returned to the Democratic Party after the 1948 election. They even had to take a loyalty pledge to the party.

Of course, it was Ike who sent the 101st Airborne to nudge Wallace out of the schoolyard door. 

William Fullbright and Robert Byrd (Kleagle Byrd to some) filibustered the Civil Rights Act. Al Gore, Sr voted against it. This was 1964, not 1948.

Go do a little reading on the vote totals in 1964. Republicans in both the house and senate voted "yea" at considerably higher rates than Democrats. Looked at another way, in the Senate alone 80% of the "nay" vote came from Democrats.

The Dixiecrat party at that point was gone for 16 years.

3 Dixiecrats became Republican senators- Thurmond, Helms, and Miles Godwin. The Democrats kept the rest, and re-elected one of em right up until he died in 2010.

Are there racists in political parties today? Sure! But re-writing history to cast one party as the racist party and the other as righteous heroes is just silly.

I've "done my reading" and I am aware of and have shared the facts.  The history of the political realignment is a matter of fact, not opinion.

Your version is a nice use of selective facts.  I'm well aware that the segregationists' shift to the GOP was a process that played out over time.  However long that took, this is 2016.  So, we're living with the results of that process, and saying "but the Democrats" is irrelevant to today's political realities.

Jackson_Fusion said:

nohero said:

Oh, please, don't go to the "Democrats are the real racists" argument.  All the good ol' segregationists relocated to the GOP years ago, starting with the "Dixiecrats".

Jackson_Fusion said:

nohero said:

Jackson_Fusion said:
Emory is in DeKalb county. How are we defining "redneck"? 

Well, it's about 10 miles from Stone Mountain, which figures prominently in KKK history and has an enormous sculpture paying tribute to leaders of the Confederacy.

Well, if anything the area around the mountain is even less "redneck".

That said, as an organization that sprung up from the Democratic Party, and as a monument that was commissioned, maintained, and eventually purchased under an unbroken string of Democrat governors from 1877 to 2003, I'm not sure how that should be laid at the doorstep of a (self proclaimed) Republican candidate.

No arguments buddy! You're sharing opinion, I'm just sharing facts. Someone brought up the civil rights movement in another thread to justify harassing Trump rally goers and delegates. Fun fact- not only was George Wallace a Democrat, but so was Bull Connor! In fact, he was a state senator for years and a Delegate to the DNC.

In fact, the vast majority of Dixiecrats returned to the Democratic Party after the 1948 election. They even had to take a loyalty pledge to the party.

Of course, it was Ike who sent the 101st Airborne to nudge Wallace out of the schoolyard door. 

William Fullbright and Robert Byrd (Kleagle Byrd to some) filibustered the Civil Rights Act. Al Gore, Sr voted against it. This was 1964, not 1948.

Go do a little reading on the vote totals in 1964. Republicans in both the house and senate voted "yea" at considerably higher rates than Democrats. Looked at another way, in the Senate alone 80% of the "nay" vote came from Democrats.

The Dixiecrat party at that point was gone for 16 years.

3 Dixiecrats became Republican senators- Thurmond, Helms, and Miles Godwin. The Democrats kept the rest, and re-elected one of em right up until he died in 2010.

Are there racists in political parties today? Sure! But re-writing history to cast one party as the racist party and the other as righteous heroes is just silly.

nohero said:

I've "done my reading" and I am aware of and have shared the facts.  The history of the political realignment is a matter of fact, not opinion.

Your version is a nice use of selective facts.  I'm well aware that the segregationists' shift to the GOP was a process that played out over time.  However long that took, this is 2016.  So, we're living with the results of that process, and saying "but the Democrats" is irrelevant to today's political realities.

Jackson_Fusion said:

nohero said:

Oh, please, don't go to the "Democrats are the real racists" argument.  All the good ol' segregationists relocated to the GOP years ago, starting with the "Dixiecrats".

Jackson_Fusion said:

nohero said:

Jackson_Fusion said:
Emory is in DeKalb county. How are we defining "redneck"? 

Well, it's about 10 miles from Stone Mountain, which figures prominently in KKK history and has an enormous sculpture paying tribute to leaders of the Confederacy.

Well, if anything the area around the mountain is even less "redneck".

That said, as an organization that sprung up from the Democratic Party, and as a monument that was commissioned, maintained, and eventually purchased under an unbroken string of Democrat governors from 1877 to 2003, I'm not sure how that should be laid at the doorstep of a (self proclaimed) Republican candidate.

No arguments buddy! You're sharing opinion, I'm just sharing facts. Someone brought up the civil rights movement in another thread to justify harassing Trump rally goers and delegates. Fun fact- not only was George Wallace a Democrat, but so was Bull Connor! In fact, he was a state senator for years and a Delegate to the DNC.

In fact, the vast majority of Dixiecrats returned to the Democratic Party after the 1948 election. They even had to take a loyalty pledge to the party.

Of course, it was Ike who sent the 101st Airborne to nudge Wallace out of the schoolyard door. 

William Fullbright and Robert Byrd (Kleagle Byrd to some) filibustered the Civil Rights Act. Al Gore, Sr voted against it. This was 1964, not 1948.

Go do a little reading on the vote totals in 1964. Republicans in both the house and senate voted "yea" at considerably higher rates than Democrats. Looked at another way, in the Senate alone 80% of the "nay" vote came from Democrats.

The Dixiecrat party at that point was gone for 16 years.

3 Dixiecrats became Republican senators- Thurmond, Helms, and Miles Godwin. The Democrats kept the rest, and re-elected one of em right up until he died in 2010.

Are there racists in political parties today? Sure! But re-writing history to cast one party as the racist party and the other as righteous heroes is just silly.

What facts would you use that I did not "select"?

You claim that members of a political party that died 68 years ago relocated to the Republican Party. 

I point out that most of em didn't, and that 16 years later more Democrats than Republicans opposed the civil rights act both on a relative and absolute basis AND IN FACT ONE REMAINED as a Democrat Party Senator till 5 1/2 years ago?

Thurmond croaked in 2003. The Democrats kept their Dixiecrat Senator (the Kleagle, to be clear which one) for another 7 years.

And suddenly the history isn't what's important. But didn't you bring it up?

Nevermind I guess!

Are you somehow trying to argue that the GOP is not the current standard bearer of the appeal to racism and xenophobia?

Jackson_Fusion said:

nohero said:

I've "done my reading" and I am aware of and have shared the facts.  The history of the political realignment is a matter of fact, not opinion.

Your version is a nice use of selective facts.  I'm well aware that the segregationists' shift to the GOP was a process that played out over time.  However long that took, this is 2016.  So, we're living with the results of that process, and saying "but the Democrats" is irrelevant to today's political realities.

Jackson_Fusion said:

nohero said:

Oh, please, don't go to the "Democrats are the real racists" argument.  All the good ol' segregationists relocated to the GOP years ago, starting with the "Dixiecrats".

Jackson_Fusion said:

nohero said:

Jackson_Fusion said:
Emory is in DeKalb county. How are we defining "redneck"? 

Well, it's about 10 miles from Stone Mountain, which figures prominently in KKK history and has an enormous sculpture paying tribute to leaders of the Confederacy.

Well, if anything the area around the mountain is even less "redneck".

That said, as an organization that sprung up from the Democratic Party, and as a monument that was commissioned, maintained, and eventually purchased under an unbroken string of Democrat governors from 1877 to 2003, I'm not sure how that should be laid at the doorstep of a (self proclaimed) Republican candidate.

No arguments buddy! You're sharing opinion, I'm just sharing facts. Someone brought up the civil rights movement in another thread to justify harassing Trump rally goers and delegates. Fun fact- not only was George Wallace a Democrat, but so was Bull Connor! In fact, he was a state senator for years and a Delegate to the DNC.

In fact, the vast majority of Dixiecrats returned to the Democratic Party after the 1948 election. They even had to take a loyalty pledge to the party.

Of course, it was Ike who sent the 101st Airborne to nudge Wallace out of the schoolyard door. 

William Fullbright and Robert Byrd (Kleagle Byrd to some) filibustered the Civil Rights Act. Al Gore, Sr voted against it. This was 1964, not 1948.

Go do a little reading on the vote totals in 1964. Republicans in both the house and senate voted "yea" at considerably higher rates than Democrats. Looked at another way, in the Senate alone 80% of the "nay" vote came from Democrats.

The Dixiecrat party at that point was gone for 16 years.

3 Dixiecrats became Republican senators- Thurmond, Helms, and Miles Godwin. The Democrats kept the rest, and re-elected one of em right up until he died in 2010.

Are there racists in political parties today? Sure! But re-writing history to cast one party as the racist party and the other as righteous heroes is just silly.

What facts would you use that I did not "select"?

You claim that members of a political party that died 68 years ago relocated to the Republican Party. 

I point out that most of em didn't, and that 16 years later more Democrats than Republicans opposed the civil rights act both on a relative and absolute basis AND IN FACT ONE REMAINED as a Democrat Party Senator till 5 1/2 years ago?

Thurmond croaked in 2003. The Democrats kept their Dixiecrat Senator (the Kleagle, to be clear which one) for another 7 years.

And suddenly the history isn't what's important. But didn't you bring it up?

Nevermind I guess!

JF - I'm assuming that in this quote:

"I point out that most of em didn't, and that 16 years later more Democrats than Republicans opposed the civil rights act both on a relative and absolute basis AND IN FACT ONE REMAINED as a Democrat Party Senator till 5 1/2 years ago?"

You are referring to Robert Byrd?

Tell us, did Byrd still hold the same views on race and segregation in recent times as he did back in the 60s and 70s? Wouldn't the answer to that be a "relevant fact," as you put it?

Well at least it didn't say "Underwood 2016" with a picture of a Klansman.

What the f#$@ is "soft fascism"?

Forgive me for the sin of answering a question with a question and I'll forgive you for shifting the discussion:

Are you somehow trying to argue that the Democratic Party has clean hands in attempting to divide people by race, class and identity? 

To answer your question, John, I am not trying to convince anyone of anything, because for those that view things as you suggest, no amount of convincing from me would change their minds. 

I can, however, throw a flag when historical "facts" are used to somehow buttress a view that is more complicated than sloganeering would attempt (with some obvious success) to lead one to believe.

tjohn said:

Are you somehow trying to argue that the GOP is not the current standard bearer of the appeal to racism and xenophobia?

Jackson_Fusion said:

nohero said:

I've "done my reading" and I am aware of and have shared the facts.  The history of the political realignment is a matter of fact, not opinion.

Your version is a nice use of selective facts.  I'm well aware that the segregationists' shift to the GOP was a process that played out over time.  However long that took, this is 2016.  So, we're living with the results of that process, and saying "but the Democrats" is irrelevant to today's political realities.

Jackson_Fusion said:

nohero said:

Oh, please, don't go to the "Democrats are the real racists" argument.  All the good ol' segregationists relocated to the GOP years ago, starting with the "Dixiecrats".

Jackson_Fusion said:

nohero said:

Jackson_Fusion said:
Emory is in DeKalb county. How are we defining "redneck"? 

Well, it's about 10 miles from Stone Mountain, which figures prominently in KKK history and has an enormous sculpture paying tribute to leaders of the Confederacy.

Well, if anything the area around the mountain is even less "redneck".

That said, as an organization that sprung up from the Democratic Party, and as a monument that was commissioned, maintained, and eventually purchased under an unbroken string of Democrat governors from 1877 to 2003, I'm not sure how that should be laid at the doorstep of a (self proclaimed) Republican candidate.

No arguments buddy! You're sharing opinion, I'm just sharing facts. Someone brought up the civil rights movement in another thread to justify harassing Trump rally goers and delegates. Fun fact- not only was George Wallace a Democrat, but so was Bull Connor! In fact, he was a state senator for years and a Delegate to the DNC.

In fact, the vast majority of Dixiecrats returned to the Democratic Party after the 1948 election. They even had to take a loyalty pledge to the party.

Of course, it was Ike who sent the 101st Airborne to nudge Wallace out of the schoolyard door. 

William Fullbright and Robert Byrd (Kleagle Byrd to some) filibustered the Civil Rights Act. Al Gore, Sr voted against it. This was 1964, not 1948.

Go do a little reading on the vote totals in 1964. Republicans in both the house and senate voted "yea" at considerably higher rates than Democrats. Looked at another way, in the Senate alone 80% of the "nay" vote came from Democrats.

The Dixiecrat party at that point was gone for 16 years.

3 Dixiecrats became Republican senators- Thurmond, Helms, and Miles Godwin. The Democrats kept the rest, and re-elected one of em right up until he died in 2010.

Are there racists in political parties today? Sure! But re-writing history to cast one party as the racist party and the other as righteous heroes is just silly.

What facts would you use that I did not "select"?

You claim that members of a political party that died 68 years ago relocated to the Republican Party. 

I point out that most of em didn't, and that 16 years later more Democrats than Republicans opposed the civil rights act both on a relative and absolute basis AND IN FACT ONE REMAINED as a Democrat Party Senator till 5 1/2 years ago?

Thurmond croaked in 2003. The Democrats kept their Dixiecrat Senator (the Kleagle, to be clear which one) for another 7 years.

And suddenly the history isn't what's important. But didn't you bring it up?

Nevermind I guess!

The history of the parties doesn't interest me.  Lincoln, in fact, was a racist as were pretty much all white people around that time.  However, he, like many others, thought slavery was wrong.

All I am saying is that the GOP is the current standard bearer for racists and xenophobes.

Jackson_Fusion said:

Forgive me for the sin of answering a question with a question and I'll forgive you for shifting the discussion:

Are you somehow trying to argue that the Democratic Party has clean hands in attempting to divide people by race, class and identity? 

To answer your question, John, I am not trying to convince anyone of anything, because for those that view things as you suggest, no amount of convincing from me would change their minds. 

I can, however, throw a flag when historical "facts" are used to somehow buttress a view that is more complicated than sloganeering would attempt (with some obvious success) to lead one to believe.

tjohn said:

Are you somehow trying to argue that the GOP is not the current standard bearer of the appeal to racism and xenophobia?

Jackson_Fusion said:

Jackson_Fusion said:
What facts would you use that I did not "select"?

You claim that members of a political party that died 68 years ago relocated to the Republican Party. 

I point out that most of em didn't, and that 16 years later more Democrats than Republicans opposed the civil rights act both on a relative and absolute basis AND IN FACT ONE REMAINED as a Democrat Party Senator till 5 1/2 years ago?

Thurmond croaked in 2003. The Democrats kept their Dixiecrat Senator (the Kleagle, to be clear which one) for another 7 years.

And suddenly the history isn't what's important. But didn't you bring it up?

Nevermind I guess!

I "brought up" history when you asked about DeKalb County, and I pointed out some present-day attributes (which, of necessity, requires one to be aware of history to understand what they are).

You expanded it to your extended version of the history of the South and political parties in the past.

You like the "kleagle" term, as you keep repeating it.  It figuratively encases the late Senator Byrd in the amber of his past, in support of the thesis of your argument.

As Eugene Robinson wrote on the occasion of Senator Byrd's passing:  "Sen. Robert Byrd had long since repented, of course. The West Virginian, who died Monday at 92, deeply regretted his segregationist past, which included a year as a member of the Ku Klux Klan and at least several more years as a Klan sympathizer. He eventually became a passionate advocate for civil rights, and he was one of the most vocal supporters of legislation making the birthday of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. a national holiday."

If you're arguing that the organized political parties have a mixed history with regard to segregation and racism, there's nobody arguing with you.  But, again, the discussion here involves 2016.

Its quite clear, that no matter the relative historical positions of the two major parties, at this time and probably since the Nixon years, democrats have been strongly in support of civil rights and republicans have been both covertly and overtly in support of all positions that would strip working class people of their rights and collective power to the point that tacit support and proposal of blatantly racist policies is now normal in the R party.

nohero said:

Jackson_Fusion said:
What facts would you use that I did not "select"?

You claim that members of a political party that died 68 years ago relocated to the Republican Party. 

I point out that most of em didn't, and that 16 years later more Democrats than Republicans opposed the civil rights act both on a relative and absolute basis AND IN FACT ONE REMAINED as a Democrat Party Senator till 5 1/2 years ago?

Thurmond croaked in 2003. The Democrats kept their Dixiecrat Senator (the Kleagle, to be clear which one) for another 7 years.

And suddenly the history isn't what's important. But didn't you bring it up?

Nevermind I guess!

I "brought up" history when you asked about DeKalb County, and I pointed out some present-day attributes (which, of necessity, requires one to be aware of history to understand what they are).

You expanded it to your extended version of the history of the South and political parties in the past.

You like the "kleagle" term, as you keep repeating it.  It figuratively encases the late Senator Byrd in the amber of his past, in support of the thesis of your argument.

As Eugene Robinson wrote on the occasion of Senator Byrd's passing:  "Sen. Robert Byrd had long since repented, of course. The West Virginian, who died Monday at 92, deeply regretted his segregationist past, which included a year as a member of the Ku Klux Klan and at least several more years as a Klan sympathizer. He eventually became a passionate advocate for civil rights, and he was one of the most vocal supporters of legislation making the birthday of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. a national holiday."

If you're arguing that the organized political parties have a mixed history with regard to segregation and racism, there's nobody arguing with you.  But, again, the discussion here involves 2016.

No.

The thread is about people, today, at Emory rushing for a fainting couch because someone wrote "trump 2016".

A poster mentioned that maybe it is because of all the rednecks.

I pointed out that the area is hardly red neck.

You pointed out that Stone Mountain exists and "KKK history".

I pointed out that it wasn't Republicans but Democrats who put it there, so it's odd to use that as a reason to cry over a (alleged) Republican's name in chalk.

You pointed out your view that all those old evil Democrats joined the Republican Party.

I pointed out that that just isn't true.

But now you don't want to talk about history. I understand.

It is fact that Byrd was a Kleagle. I don't like the word, as you claim I do, but lots of facts have words that people don't like. They're still facts. That one in particular is too close to "beagle" for my liking, who though ill tempers like (ex) Kleagle Byrd was, they are much cuter, and would never denounce black soldiers with the vile words Byrd used when Ike (R) desegregated the military.

Senator Byrd, for what it's worth, was exhibiting a skewed view of race up until 2005 at least, illustrated by a troubling view he expressed that also got much attention for a string of slurs he dropped in expressing it. 

Just goes to show, a man can be forgiven anything if he votes the right way.

Jackson_Fusion said:
I pointed out that it wasn't Republicans but Democrats who put it there, so it's odd to use that as a reason to cry over a (alleged) Republican's name in chalk.

You're missing the part about the rest of the history, up to the present day, which was already addressed and so doesn't need to be repeated.

ridski said: I know, right? People who deface private property like that need to be caught and taught a lesson, IMNARO. 

Deface? Must have been an especially waxy chalk.