Stanford Rape Case

Hi,

Has anyone been following the Standord Atlete rape case ?? 

Really 6 month ?? Because he a Atlete star ?? UNBELIEVABLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/06/us/sexual-assault-brock-turner-stanford/

HarleyQuinn said:

Hi,

Has anyone been following the Standord Atlete rape case ?? 

Really 6 month ?? Because he a Atlete star ?? UNBELIEVABLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/06/us/sexual-assault-brock-turner-stanford/

I suspect the judge has learned his lesson, assuming he retains his job.

tjohn said:

HarleyQuinn said:

Hi,

Has anyone been following the Standord Atlete rape case ?? 

Really 6 month ?? Because he a Atlete star ?? UNBELIEVABLE.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/06/us/sexual-assault-brock-turner-stanford/

I suspect the judge has learned his lesson, assuming he retains his job.

Ha! I doubt he will retain it. A lot of petition online demanding the judge to be remove from his bench. Not looking good for him.

Just for curiosity ..

Can they change the veredict ?? Can the prosecutor do anything ?? Appeal the decision ?? 

I mean common  .. What example is this judge giving ? I'm really disgusted ... I can't even imagine how the victim and her family feels. 

Just because people call for a judge's (any judge) removal does not mean he will get removed. I certainly hope that public pressure does not result in removal of judges, because that sets a really bad precedent. I do not agree at all with the sentencing, but I would hope if he is removed it is for something else than public outcry.

marylago said:

Just because people call for a judge's (any judge) removal does not mean he will get removed. I certainly hope that public pressure does not result in removal of judges, because that sets a really bad precedent. I do not agree at all with the sentencing, but I would hope if he is removed it is for something else than public outcry.

The judge in this case is elected and subject to voter recall.  I suspect he is toast.

tjohn said:

marylago said:

Just because people call for a judge's (any judge) removal does not mean he will get removed. I certainly hope that public pressure does not result in removal of judges, because that sets a really bad precedent. I do not agree at all with the sentencing, but I would hope if he is removed it is for something else than public outcry.

The judge in this case is elected and subject to voter recall.  I suspect he is toast.

While it might be pretty to think so, I do not have the confidence you do in the electorate's ability to stay focused on this long enough to see it through

tjohn said:

The judge in this case is elected and subject to voter recall.  I suspect he is toast.

He is running unopposed..

max_weisenfeld said:

tjohn said:

marylago said:

Just because people call for a judge's (any judge) removal does not mean he will get removed. I certainly hope that public pressure does not result in removal of judges, because that sets a really bad precedent. I do not agree at all with the sentencing, but I would hope if he is removed it is for something else than public outcry.

The judge in this case is elected and subject to voter recall.  I suspect he is toast.

While it might be pretty to think so, I do not have the confidence you do in the electorate's ability to stay focused on this long enough to see it through

They need a small group of people working to collect signatures on petitions.  I imagine that they will have not trouble getting signatures.

librarylady said:

tjohn said:

The judge in this case is elected and subject to voter recall.  I suspect he is toast.

He is running unopposed..

And can be recalled.

I wonder what the hell was the judge thinking ?? Ok, he is a star  Atlete and you believe giving him a longer sentence will not benefit/help him. 

But what about the girls he rape behind a dumpster unconscious ?? 

It's like he didn't even think about the victim. 

No, it's like he thinks the perpetrator is the victim.

There's an appalling lack of understanding and accountability and it started with the rapist's father. His letter was nauseating - that his son shouldn't be sent to jail for "20 minutes of action." Disgusting.

I rarely sign change. org petitions.  I signed that one.

ctrzaska said:

I rarely sign change. org petitions.  I signed that one.

I signed it as well .. 

TarheelsInNj said:

No, it's like he thinks the perpetrator is the victim.

There's an appalling lack of understanding and accountability and it started with the rapist's father. His letter was nauseating - that his son shouldn't be sent to jail for "20 minutes of action." Disgusting.

I couldn't finish reading the letter .. 

These are the men we should be talking about 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/06/07/the-swedish-stanford-students-who-rescued-an-unconscious-sexual-assault-victim-speak-out/

Two Stanford grad students from Sweded were riding by on there bikes, realized something was wrong and stopped the attack.  

If I had a son and he committed a crime such as this, I would do whatever I could to minimize his punishment.  This doesn't make the father a bad person although there is no doubt that the letter he wrote is a PR disaster.  All of us have been in positions where we have done something that we would give the world to take back but can't.  Brock Turner is looking at the end of life as he knew it and I am sure he is experiencing every emotion under the sun including blaming the victim.

TarheelsInNj said:

No, it's like he thinks the perpetrator is the victim.

There's an appalling lack of understanding and accountability and it started with the rapist's father. His letter was nauseating - that his son shouldn't be sent to jail for "20 minutes of action." Disgusting.

Agree 100%! The judge is out of touch with reality and I'm shocked by his verdict. Girls and women don't stand a chance against their attacker with him on the bench. 

More egregious is the father. What rational man makes a statement like that? Someone should investigate the father's HS and college background. What lurks in the corners of his female encounters?

tjohn said:

If I had a son and he committed a crime such as this, I would do whatever I could to minimize his punishment.  This doesn't make the father a bad person although there is no doubt that the letter he wrote is a PR disaster.  All of us have been in positions where we have done something that we would give the world to take back but can't.  Brock Turner is looking at the end of life as he knew it and I am sure he is experiencing every emotion under the sun including blaming the victim.

I totally agree that you would try to minimize the punishment. What you likely wouldn't do (or at least, I wouldn't) is minimize the crime. The father is basically saying "what happened isn't even a big deal." 

TarheelsInNj said:

tjohn said:

If I had a son and he committed a crime such as this, I would do whatever I could to minimize his punishment.  This doesn't make the father a bad person although there is no doubt that the letter he wrote is a PR disaster.  All of us have been in positions where we have done something that we would give the world to take back but can't.  Brock Turner is looking at the end of life as he knew it and I am sure he is experiencing every emotion under the sun including blaming the victim.

I totally agree that you would try to minimize the punishment. What you likely wouldn't do (or at least, I wouldn't) is minimize the crime. The father is basically saying "what happened isn't even a big deal." 

Oh, I agree totally.  The father should have consulted with a PR person when crafting that letter.  I can believe that Brock Turner is basically a decent person.  However, while under the influence of the demon drink, he did something terrible and he can't undo it and has to pay the price.

tjohn said:

TarheelsInNj said:

tjohn said:

If I had a son and he committed a crime such as this, I would do whatever I could to minimize his punishment.  This doesn't make the father a bad person although there is no doubt that the letter he wrote is a PR disaster.  All of us have been in positions where we have done something that we would give the world to take back but can't.  Brock Turner is looking at the end of life as he knew it and I am sure he is experiencing every emotion under the sun including blaming the victim.

I totally agree that you would try to minimize the punishment. What you likely wouldn't do (or at least, I wouldn't) is minimize the crime. The father is basically saying "what happened isn't even a big deal." 

Oh, I agree totally.  The father should have consulted with a PR person when crafting that letter.  I can believe that Brock Turner is basically a decent person.  However, while under the influence of the demon drink, he did something terrible and he can't undo it and has to pay the price.

I mean... maybe. But it doesn't take a PR person to make you a decent, non-entitled human being. You can see his true colors throughout.

And not only can Brock Turner not undo it, he has barely even acknowledged it. That, to me, is the real problem. MAN UP and apologize for it. But first, he'd have to realize he did something wrong. Which he doesn't. He believes his crime was drinking too much.

The judge was once captain of the Stanford lacrosse team...

HarleyQuinn said:

I wonder what the hell was the judge thinking ?? Ok, he is a star  Atlete and you believe giving him a longer sentence will not benefit/help him. 

But what about the girls he rape behind a dumpster unconscious ?? 

It's like he didn't even think about the victim. 

Thank God Judges like this guy have to run for re-election in California.  Here, we're ususally stuck with them for life.

TarheelsInNj said:

tjohn said:

TarheelsInNj said:

tjohn said:

If I had a son and he committed a crime such as this, I would do whatever I could to minimize his punishment.  This doesn't make the father a bad person although there is no doubt that the letter he wrote is a PR disaster.  All of us have been in positions where we have done something that we would give the world to take back but can't.  Brock Turner is looking at the end of life as he knew it and I am sure he is experiencing every emotion under the sun including blaming the victim.

I totally agree that you would try to minimize the punishment. What you likely wouldn't do (or at least, I wouldn't) is minimize the crime. The father is basically saying "what happened isn't even a big deal." 

Oh, I agree totally.  The father should have consulted with a PR person when crafting that letter.  I can believe that Brock Turner is basically a decent person.  However, while under the influence of the demon drink, he did something terrible and he can't undo it and has to pay the price.

I mean... maybe. But it doesn't take a PR person to make you a decent, non-entitled human being. You can see his true colors throughout.

And not only can Brock Turner not undo it, he has barely even acknowledged it. That, to me, is the real problem. MAN UP and apologize for it. But first, he'd have to realize he did something wrong. Which he doesn't. He believes his crime was drinking too much.

An awful lot of college-age men get drunk but manage not to rape an unconscious female.  I certainly agree that a parent's job is to go to bat for your kid, even in horrible circumstance, but I can't get stomach the lack of acknowledgement of the crime and the pain caused to the victim.  

He's not guilty of drunkenness, he's guilty of rape.

TarheelsInNj said:

No, it's like he thinks the perpetrator is the victim.

There's an appalling lack of understanding and accountability and it started with the rapist's father. His letter was nauseating - that his son shouldn't be sent to jail for "20 minutes of action." Disgusting.

This case reminds me of the affluenza case in Texas.  

The problem started even before the trial.  Prior to the trial, the attorney coached Brock Turner on an alternative narrative of events and the attorney put the victim through Hell on the stand. 

tjohn said:

Oh, I agree totally.  The father should have consulted with a PR person when crafting that letter.  I can believe that Brock Turner is basically a decent person.  However, while under the influence of the demon drink, he did something terrible and he can't undo it and has to pay the price.

That certainly seems to be the Dad's point of view.  I'm not buying it.   

Klinker said:

tjohn said:

Oh, I agree totally.  The father should have consulted with a PR person when crafting that letter.  I can believe that Brock Turner is basically a decent person.  However, while under the influence of the demon drink, he did something terrible and he can't undo it and has to pay the price.

That certainly seems to be the Dad's point of view.  I'm not buying it.   

You don't think that Brock Turner is basically a decent person?  I haven't heard anything to suggest otherwise.  How many people (especially young people) do you suppose are walking around who a) need to avoid drinking too much and b) need friends to keep them on the right path.   I think it's a lot.

tjohn said:

Klinker said:

tjohn said:

Oh, I agree totally.  The father should have consulted with a PR person when crafting that letter.  I can believe that Brock Turner is basically a decent person.  However, while under the influence of the demon drink, he did something terrible and he can't undo it and has to pay the price.

That certainly seems to be the Dad's point of view.  I'm not buying it.   

You don't think that Brock Turner is basically a decent person?  How many people (especially young people) do you suppose are walking around who a) need to avoid drinking too much and b) need friends to keep them on the right path.   I think it's a lot.

I've known a lot of drunks that never raped anyone.  Brock Turner is an unrepentant rapist.  Not a good guy in my book.

I think he is a wounded animal.  Now, if he doesn't start to feel some remorse at some point, then I will come around to your point of view.  

Klinker said:

tjohn said:

Klinker said:

tjohn said:

Oh, I agree totally.  The father should have consulted with a PR person when crafting that letter.  I can believe that Brock Turner is basically a decent person.  However, while under the influence of the demon drink, he did something terrible and he can't undo it and has to pay the price.

That certainly seems to be the Dad's point of view.  I'm not buying it.   

You don't think that Brock Turner is basically a decent person?  How many people (especially young people) do you suppose are walking around who a) need to avoid drinking too much and b) need friends to keep them on the right path.   I think it's a lot.

I've known a lot of drunks that never raped anyone.  Brock Turner is an unrepentant rapist.  Not a good guy in my book.

I'm with you. Rape is never, never, never acceptable behavior, even if you are drunk off your ass.