Dog ate some raw chicken archived
Nope. Dogs are meant to eat raw meat. They have shorter digestive tracts and more acidic stomachs. That way, meat doesn't rot on the way through.
Only humans cook their food.
Only humans cook their food.
ummmm, we're supposed to cook our food?
excuse me, I have to have a chat with the wife.:angry:
excuse me, I have to have a chat with the wife.:angry:
Jan 8, 2007 at 11:31am Edited
oh yeah, the thread is about your dog....
Did s/he eat any bones? I'd be more concerned about that than the raw meat.
Chicken bones splinter (I think) and can be dangerous to dogs.
Did s/he eat any bones? I'd be more concerned about that than the raw meat.
Chicken bones splinter (I think) and can be dangerous to dogs.
My dog eats cat sh*t and is still alive to talk about it. I doubt a little raw chicken will hurt (and also probably for the reasons Tom suggests above). :wink:
The BARFers on MOL will probably chime in very shortly to explain that uncooked chicken bones aren't a problem. It's only cooked chicken bones that splinter. Or so I hear. Google BARF diet and I'm sure you will find authorative info.
AlleyGater,
Thanks. I checked it out and you are correct. That's good to know.
Thanks. I checked it out and you are correct. That's good to know.
Cats eat raw food, too!
Just fed mine some raw quail.
Tip: run it under warm water first so it tastes just like a fresh kill. ;-)
Just fed mine some raw quail.
Tip: run it under warm water first so it tastes just like a fresh kill. ;-)
Jan 8, 2007 at 12:22pm Edited
My 5 month old lab puppy ate some raw chicken (the trimmings, so it included fat & other bits I trim off the breasts). She then had diarrhea for 3 days - took her to the vet b/c it was getting worse and very gassy. The vet put her on a cooked chicken and rice (bland, low fat) diet and gave me a prescription that cleared up the problem immediately. Then, the dog didn't poop for 2 days. Then all was well. When the medicine was gone, she was still fine.
Bottom line, the vet was unconcerned about the rawness, and although she was able to rule out other reasons, she did say the diarrhea was diet related. (Whenever she can get away with it, the dumb dog also eats dirt, day Lily leaves, occasional rocks, any and all sticks, so it might not have been the raw food episode)
Tip, if the dog does get diarrhea - keep some baby wipes near the door and clean the pup's tush before letting it roam the house. The dog will be more comfy and your rugs will thank you!
(PS. My chicken was also fresh from Kings)
Bottom line, the vet was unconcerned about the rawness, and although she was able to rule out other reasons, she did say the diarrhea was diet related. (Whenever she can get away with it, the dumb dog also eats dirt, day Lily leaves, occasional rocks, any and all sticks, so it might not have been the raw food episode)
Tip, if the dog does get diarrhea - keep some baby wipes near the door and clean the pup's tush before letting it roam the house. The dog will be more comfy and your rugs will thank you!
(PS. My chicken was also fresh from Kings)
My dog lives on raw chicken. Every night for almost 6 years now. Chicken necks, backs, wings. ALso raw chicken livers once a week cut up in the morning meal of yogurt, fresh raw homemade vegie mix (or just canned pumpkin), and some other goodies like flax seed oil, kelp, vit E. He also likes tuna fish. ANd raw eggs, shell and all.
Raw bones are pliable and can be chewed and digested. Cooked bones would be a very big no-no to dogs or humans as the bones get brittle when cooked and would splinter.
Imagine, dogs have been around for thousands of years, but when did dog food get invented? A little over 100 years ago. WHat do you think they lived on before Purina? Also, a high percentage of dogs are allergic to grains. Dog food is full of grain filler. My dog is allergic. He'll scratch like crazy (we found this out when he was a puppy). Over time this would ruin his coat.
and BARF is very healthy! So, here's to BARF! (Bones and Raw Food)
Raw bones are pliable and can be chewed and digested. Cooked bones would be a very big no-no to dogs or humans as the bones get brittle when cooked and would splinter.
Imagine, dogs have been around for thousands of years, but when did dog food get invented? A little over 100 years ago. WHat do you think they lived on before Purina? Also, a high percentage of dogs are allergic to grains. Dog food is full of grain filler. My dog is allergic. He'll scratch like crazy (we found this out when he was a puppy). Over time this would ruin his coat.
and BARF is very healthy! So, here's to BARF! (Bones and Raw Food)
I tried the BARF diet for Red (my greyhound) but it didn't work so well. I probably didn't try hard enough. I don't have the energy for that. But I did enjoy it for a while. I fed him chicken backs. He has a really big mouth, so he'd make a few giant cracking noises and then toss it back. It all happened so fast. I did it a couple of times with a family sitting in my living room. They were waiting for lessons. My wife teaches music in the house. The little kids watched in awe. Their father said, "Imagine if that were your hand." I don't know why he felt the need to say that.
:shocked:
We do it (part time) with Jessie too. It's not too appetizing to watch. PLus, she follows me everywhere, so if she has her chicken and I leave the room, she brings it with her. Ick. A few times Mr. Shh fed her right as I was sitting down to eat. I couldn't leave the room...I just sat there listening. Being a vegetarian doesn't make it easier.
She loves it though. But she also loves sushi, we discovered.
We do it (part time) with Jessie too. It's not too appetizing to watch. PLus, she follows me everywhere, so if she has her chicken and I leave the room, she brings it with her. Ick. A few times Mr. Shh fed her right as I was sitting down to eat. I couldn't leave the room...I just sat there listening. Being a vegetarian doesn't make it easier.
She loves it though. But she also loves sushi, we discovered.
Haven’t you guys read the threads about the BARF diet?
If your dog was on the BARF diet, he would have taken that chicken, sewed it up and made it Cluck again!
If your dog was on the BARF diet, he would have taken that chicken, sewed it up and made it Cluck again!
ffof, I tried that initially, (and she ran away) but maybe as she gets more used to us and feels comfortable she'll eat outside. Now when I try to feed her outside if I walk away she just follows me.
ffof- Was it difficult to transition your dog onto the BARF diet? Any initial stomach problems? Bowel movements? I'm thinking of changing my dogs' diets and would like to look into it. Thanks!
Just give your vet a call....they should be able to answer the question for your dog...
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Thanks nnj, I'm going to do that also, just wanted to get some feedback from others as well. :smile:
You'll be hard-pressed to find a vet who will agree that you should do BARF. They learn about nutrition from the pet food companies who come to talk at all the vet schools about nutrition (hard to believe, but true.)
WHen reading about BARF, you'll find out that it is recomended to just switch all the way, cold turkey. Our dog switched as a puppy when we realized he was allergic to the grain dog food. Our dog is like a garbage disposal. He never gets an upset stomach. His poop is the grossest when he gets into some neighboring dog or cat's pet food that's been left out on the back stoop. But poops on BARF are smaller and very hard (that's why I add flax seed oil to the breakfast). They also don't smell all stinky like the gooey poop from packaged dogfoods. They also drink less water - I guess the grain food is so much filler that it leaves them thirsty - something like that.
Also, on some of the sites there are testimonials. Very interesting to read.
Just do a search for BARF, and lots of sites will come up.
WHen reading about BARF, you'll find out that it is recomended to just switch all the way, cold turkey. Our dog switched as a puppy when we realized he was allergic to the grain dog food. Our dog is like a garbage disposal. He never gets an upset stomach. His poop is the grossest when he gets into some neighboring dog or cat's pet food that's been left out on the back stoop. But poops on BARF are smaller and very hard (that's why I add flax seed oil to the breakfast). They also don't smell all stinky like the gooey poop from packaged dogfoods. They also drink less water - I guess the grain food is so much filler that it leaves them thirsty - something like that.
Also, on some of the sites there are testimonials. Very interesting to read.
Just do a search for BARF, and lots of sites will come up.
Just like regular drs. don't know much about nutrition...it's true! (I agree with you Ffof)
Barf is great for some dogs but not for all. Tried all three of my dogs on it and two had severe stomache problems from it. From my experience it seems that medium to larger dogs (over 40 pounds) do better with it then the small guys. Once the dog is switched the amount of poop is drastically reduced. I have a friend whose dog only eats dry cat food. It is very low in ash and grain products but I could not tell you if it meets all the nutritional needs of a canine. Cat food tends to be higher in protein then dog food though.
There is one drawback with Barf which most people do not consider. Your dog might use his front paws to hold the piece of raw meat which means that salmonella bacteria can form on their paws and coat and not just around the mouth of the dog. Dogs tend to be pretty immune to salmonella and such but should you have little kids in the house this is something I would be concerned with.
The other alternative is a dried dog food called Innova Evo which my dogs love. It is a "no grain" alternative.
When you talk about a purely natural diet remember that all carnivores eat the stomache of their kill which holds plenty of vegetarian content so in a sense they do it their "Veggies" too.
There is one drawback with Barf which most people do not consider. Your dog might use his front paws to hold the piece of raw meat which means that salmonella bacteria can form on their paws and coat and not just around the mouth of the dog. Dogs tend to be pretty immune to salmonella and such but should you have little kids in the house this is something I would be concerned with.
The other alternative is a dried dog food called Innova Evo which my dogs love. It is a "no grain" alternative.
When you talk about a purely natural diet remember that all carnivores eat the stomache of their kill which holds plenty of vegetarian content so in a sense they do it their "Veggies" too.
THat's why you have to make sure the dogs get their vegies along with the bones. I feed the vegie mix in the morning, bones at night. Vegies need to be pulverized (I use the cuisinart) or else the nutrients won't be absorbed. I will take all my vegies that are starting to go bad (carrots, lettuce, zuchini, bananas, apples, strawberries etc etc) and put through the cuisinart. I portion into baggies and freeze. It's very easy!
ANd when I am being lazy (usually), I just use canned 100% pumpkin instead of my homemeade vegie mix. THe pumpkin is very high in Vitamin A. How's that for easy, Alley?!
WHole FOods! Necks and backs used to be 99 cents per pound. THey are up to $1.49.
You can also get the chicken wholesale at Eberly Farms in Pennsylvania and then freeze, but I don't have a huge extra freezer.
You can also get the chicken wholesale at Eberly Farms in Pennsylvania and then freeze, but I don't have a huge extra freezer.
WB,
I transitioned my cats to raw over a two week period. No one had a stomach issue. We're still exploring options and amounts (yup, a cat will eat till he pukes if it's good enough), but I try to feed them food they might catch in nature (cats don't kill cows, they kill small birds). Sometimes it's a pain to get ingredients balanced that they will actually eat, so I cheat: for vegetables we use a dollop of organic baby spinach, and if I notice someone hasn't eaten a couple of meals I'll soak some Evo dry in water or milk to ensure they're getting their basic viamins and some hydration.
It's kind of neat to experiment. I pick up new items at Whole Foods as there is always a tiny package of something for a couple of dollars, and if they don't like it I add an ingredient to change the taste.
Thank you Ffof. All you said on my diet inquiry post was to try BARF, and that got me looking.
[And credit also goes to Lydia for being my sounding board.]
Within two weeks of being fully raw my cats' coats got super, super soft; they have no more eye gunk; and my agressive guy has been calming down.
I transitioned my cats to raw over a two week period. No one had a stomach issue. We're still exploring options and amounts (yup, a cat will eat till he pukes if it's good enough), but I try to feed them food they might catch in nature (cats don't kill cows, they kill small birds). Sometimes it's a pain to get ingredients balanced that they will actually eat, so I cheat: for vegetables we use a dollop of organic baby spinach, and if I notice someone hasn't eaten a couple of meals I'll soak some Evo dry in water or milk to ensure they're getting their basic viamins and some hydration.
It's kind of neat to experiment. I pick up new items at Whole Foods as there is always a tiny package of something for a couple of dollars, and if they don't like it I add an ingredient to change the taste.
Thank you Ffof. All you said on my diet inquiry post was to try BARF, and that got me looking.
[And credit also goes to Lydia for being my sounding board.]
Within two weeks of being fully raw my cats' coats got super, super soft; they have no more eye gunk; and my agressive guy has been calming down.
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