Will Trump end DACA?

Trump would LOVE to - his goal is to undue whatever Obama enacted.  He's an absolute jerk for announcing that he has a decision that he won't reveal until Tuesday.  Maybe he's just trying to get a few republican states to back off with their lawsuit which requires Trump to rescind DACA by Tuesday.

All the measures Trump wants to enforce on dreamers are already in place.

• You were under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012;
• You entered the United States prior to your 16th birthday;
• You have resided in the United States since June 15, 2007 and currently are present in the U.S.;
• You were in the United States on June 15, 2012 and must be physically in the U.S. at the time of filing for your request for deferred action;
• You entered the United States without border inspection before June 15, 2012, or your immigration status expired prior to June 15, 2012;
• You must be currently in school, have graduated, or obtained an equivalent certificate of completion from high school, successfully obtained a general education development (GED) certificate, or must have been honorably discharged from the Armed Forces of the United States; and
• You must not have been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor, three or more other misdemeanors, and must not pose a threat to national security or public safety.

The last 2 seem to be requirements Trump wants - but are already in there.  Just bizarre. 

Of course he will.  He just needs to give us the requisite time period for his discussion with experts, study, and prayer on the issue.  

I think he'll keep it but use it as a negotiating tool for votes for the stupid wall. If he can get a few Dems to support the wall it could balance the no votes from the fiscal conservatives. I don't think he believes he can build the whole thing but he is frantic to build some of it to satisfy his base and to put "built the wall" in his construction resume.

(CNN)President Donald Trump is expected to end a program that protected undocumented immigrants who came to the United States as children -- so-called "Dreamers" -- from deportation, four sources familiar with the decision told CNN.

Two of the sources said the plan is to have a six-month delay in any action regarding the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program to allow Congress time to pass a fix through legislation that would allow the undocumented immigrants to stay in the country.

Why rescind something that is already there? 

Let congress decide on a DACA program before rescinding the program. If congress decides they don't want a DACA program, then Trump can make a choice on Obama's DACA order.

Some Republicans argue that Obama's DACA executive order should be rescinded now because its unconstitutional. Then leave it up to the courts to decide.

Trump's feeding meat to his deplorable basket.

Is Trump going to send Sessions out to be the fall guy for this?  At least the easiest fix would be for the congress to immediately pass the DACA provisions.  Trump is the king of self made issues.

jamie said:

Is Trump going to send Sessions out to be the fall guy for this?

It's to have Sessions "wrap" this odious decision into we're only doing the legal constitutional thing. The argument being that Obama's executive order is unconstitutional and we're fixing it by revoking it and letting congress decide.

Why not first let the courts rule on the constitutionality of the DACA order? That's how things are normally challenged.

This is feeding meat to Trump's deplorables, with legal justification for the simple minded.

yup, Sessions just said the compassionate thing is to do is "End the lawlessness" and repeal DACA to make us safer.

So these people are being punished for what their parents did...

Scully said:

So these people are being punished for what their parents did...

...and sent to places they've never known.

Probably the most callous action of his brief awful tenure.

Regardless they entered the country without authorization and have no right to be here. The mere fact that they were not caught sooner does not convey such a right. Next we need to get rid of the absurdity of someone being able to enter the country legally or illegally, give birth and automatically create an American citizen.

unicorn_and_rainbows said:

Regardless they entered the country without authorization and have no right to be here. The mere fact that they were not caught sooner does not convey such a right. Next we need to get rid of the absurdity of someone being able to enter the country legally or illegally, give birth and automatically create an American citizen.

You could have saved a lot of time by addressing the obvious responses. (BTW, the last sentence is a beauty.)

Conservatives:  You can't take away my guns, it's my constitutional right!!!

Also conservatives:  I don't care WHAT the constitution says, just because someone is born here shouldn't mean they should be automatically considered a US citizen.

Quite a scam the culturally white conservatives have going here. If you point out that their ancestors immigrated here, they'll reply that they didn't do so illegally. If you point out that the law was different then, and that if today's laws applied their ancestors would most certainly have been illegal immigrants, they change the subject.

They act as if immigration laws just appeared from on high and we have no power to change them, when in point of fact the laws were written, and are supported by these so-called conservatives, specifically to exclude people from parts of the world they don't like.

Someone who honestly was troubled by people entering the country illegally would look at our laws and consider changing them so that otherwise upstanding, law abiding people wouldn't be deemed "criminal" simply by virtue of residence. That's fully within our power. If, on the other hand, you're the sort of person who hates illegal immigrants because you just hate immigration, well, you get pretty much what you see on the cultural right.

I'm getting kind of tired of having to pretend white supremacists are acting in good faith.

Oh, and then they add in "I love all people of all colors from all nationalities, but we just need to take care of the people we have here first." 

spontaneous said:

Oh, and then they add in "I love all people of all colors from all nationalities, but we just need to take care of the people we have here first." 

and then they vote to not take care of the people who are here first (e.g. repealing ACA)

Comment from a NYT reader:

Nothing I have read has indicated that young people who were brought to the US illegally by their parents harm us in any way. Most reports say they are great kids who are doing well and leading positive lives.

And that is exactly the problem. They are not hate filled opioid addicted deplorables. In other words, not the kind likely to vote for Trump & Ilk Inc.

I was going to make a flowchart similar to this - but looks like others have made it already.

unicorn_and_rainbows said:

Regardless they entered the country without authorization and have no right to be here. The mere fact that they were not caught sooner does not convey such a right. Next we need to get rid of the absurdity of someone being able to enter the country legally or illegally, give birth and automatically create an American citizen.

Yes, I rue so many of the choices I made at age 4.

Sessions looked giddy making the announcement.

don't be hard on  yourself. 4 is a tough age for everyone.

GL2 said:

unicorn_and_rainbows said:

Regardless they entered the country without authorization and have no right to be here. The mere fact that they were not caught sooner does not convey such a right. Next we need to get rid of the absurdity of someone being able to enter the country legally or illegally, give birth and automatically create an American citizen.

Yes, I rue so many of the choices I made at age 4.

dave23 said:

Sessions looked giddy making the announcement.

Yup. These are truly evil people. DJT's been consistent in one area - the types of "people" he has appointed.

I think Trump handles almost everything badly, even things that could end up being a net good.

If (and yes, it is a big if) Congress does the right thing in response to Trump's threat and legislates that the people protected by DACA are no longer here illegally, then the deferred termination of the program will have been a good move, even if it causes some short-term anxiety.  As much as I can't stand the guy, I don't actually believe Trump wants to be in the business of deporting these people, and if push comes to shove in March, I think he will extend the program further.   Unfortunately, since he has zero skills as a communicator, others are left free to wildly spin this instead of having a rational conversation about where our laws should be on this.  (and, no, i am not proposing anyone really try to have a rational conversation with Trump on this or almost anything, he's just too, well, er... Trump)

(edited to add - yes, I did "like" my own comment... just wanted to see if it worked.  Well done Jamie!)

ice said:

 I don't actually believe Trump wants to be in the business of deporting these people, 

You're right.  And he also doesn't want to be in the business of giving them the comfort that comes with the delayed action.  He doesn't care about them or any of us.  I'd go so far as to say that if Ivanka and Jared turned against his positions they would be out on the street with Bannon and Priebus.  He has no use for any person on this planet except those who can profit him something, and the minute they can no longer benefit him they are discarded. 

unicorn_and_rainbows said:

Regardless they entered the country without authorization and have no right to be here. The mere fact that they were not caught sooner does not convey such a right. Next we need to get rid of the absurdity of someone being able to enter the country legally or illegally, give birth and automatically create an American citizen.

OK, @jamie, now we need a dislike button!

unicorn_and_rainbows said:

Regardless they entered the country without authorization and have no right to be here. The mere fact that they were not caught sooner does not convey such a right. Next we need to get rid of the absurdity of someone being able to enter the country legally or illegally, give birth and automatically create an American citizen.

So ... what native American tribe are you part of?  Because if you're not, then you have no real moral ground to stand on here.  (Yes, you may have technical "legal" ground, but this statement just stinks!)

And just like that Trump is working with Schumer and Pelosi to raise the debt ceiling and fix the DACA mess.

Trump has such a concern over dreamers - that he's willing to veto the spending bill.  (oh, and he wants more wall money too - at least to borrow until Mexico pays us back.)