Who is This Imposter?
mumstheword said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/chris-christie-drug-addiction-treatment_56327ee9e4b0c66bae5bc0f3
BELMONT, N.H. -- While campaigning recently during happy hour at Shooter's Tavern here in this small New Hampshire community, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) related a pair of personal anecdotes to elucidate why he thinks the United States should change the way it handles drug addicts.
After speaking in highly personal terms about his late mother's smoking addiction, Christie recounted an emotional story about a law school friend who became addicted to prescription painkillers.
Although Christie has failed to move the needle in national polls, he has been well received in more intimate New Hampshire town halls. Watch the above video, an outtake from a recent episode of the HuffPost original series '16 And President, to see why it may be a mistake to count Christie out of the race for the Republican presidential nomination just yet.
This is one topic where Christie actually excels. And New Hampshire is a good place to talk about it, given they have a big and growing heroin problem .
Christie talks out of both sides of his ass so often these days that it is hard to know what he really stands for. And folks complain that Hillary changes her stance with every crowd she faces.
Right now it seems people like him more than her
Latest Quinnipiac poll
Clinton's traditional lead among women evaporates as American voters pick Carson over the Democrat 50 - 40 percent. Women go 45 percent for Carson and 44 percent for Clinton, while men back the Republican 55 - 35 percent.
In other matchups with GOP contenders:
Clinton gets 46 percent to Trump's 43 percent;
Rubio tops Clinton 46 - 41 percent;
Cruz gets 46 percent to Clinton's 43 percent;
New Jersey Gov. Christopher Christie tops Clinton 46 - 41
percent.
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2299
Self-selecting sample of people willing to spend two hours on the phone answering endless questions.
I need to defend BCC here - anyone who can look at the top of the list of GOP candidates w/o smirking (dem) or sighing (con) is a model of courage.
I find it unusual that Quinnipiac would even bother to ask the general election question for a candidate like Christie who got only 3% support from GOP primary voters in their poll. According to their own poll, the chances of Christie running agains Clinton at all are really, really low. They didn't ask the head-to-head for Kasich or Fiorina, but they did for Christie.
ml1 said:
I find it unusual that Quinnipiac would even bother to ask the general election question for a candidate like Christie who got only 3% support from GOP primary voters in their poll. According to their own poll, the chances of Christie running agains Clinton at all are really, really low. They didn't ask the head-to-head for Kasich or Fiorina, but they did for Christie.
Must be a conspiracy by Quinnipiac and Christie to make the Monmouth University Poll look bad............
mfpark said:
ml1 said:Must be a conspiracy by Quinnipiac and Christie to make the Monmouth University Poll look bad............
I find it unusual that Quinnipiac would even bother to ask the general election question for a candidate like Christie who got only 3% support from GOP primary voters in their poll. According to their own poll, the chances of Christie running agains Clinton at all are really, really low. They didn't ask the head-to-head for Kasich or Fiorina, but they did for Christie.
Maybe it's Christie's own poll.
BTW, I would not so blithely count the big fella out just yet.
Sure, the odds of Christie going all Guiliani on us are still pretty high. But this year is so unusual that it may defy all past trends (or it just could confirm all past trends--that is how weird it is).
The race started to form so long before the first caucusi and primaries, the cast of characters is so strange and diverse, the money is flowing so fast and unchecked, that truly anyone can come back yet--including Romney in some scenarios.
Jeb! was unassailable, and funded like no one in history at the start of this race, only to slowly sink in the Everglades swamp to where even his own brother might not support him. Walker was riding so high that Iowa was all but his and the Kochs were ready to anoint him, only to tank and leave the race completely. Rand Paul was the flavor of the month that had everyone worried, until he stepped in horse***** and then put his foot in his mouth and now he is an after-thought. Yet, at the same time, Carson has said more stupid things than all the others combined (quite a feat, mind you) and has risen to the top of the polls. Trump was the 10 ton gorilla romping and stomping all over the field with such alacrity and staying power that he could dictate his own terms to CNN for the debate. Only now he is losing ground each week. Carly rose from the kids' table with an ascent that projected to a top three position, only to somehow get lost by the third debate and now is an also-ran. Rubio is the guy everyone is touting now (including me), but his skeletons have barely been exposed, and his amnesty position may be a poison pill. Cruz is laying in the weeds waiting for his time for a putsch and he just might make it, for all we know.
Meaning it is all so fluid and there is still 90 days before anything even close to real happens. As long as Christie can hang in there and a few others drop out he stands a reasonable chance of making it to the dance.
IOWs other than mfpark, the rest think it's the fault of the poll, or the fault of the people answering the poll, or there should have been someone else in the poll (who isn't even running), or the poll is meaningless, OR you don't like the results.
mfpark said:
BTW, I would not so blithely count the big fella out just yet.
Sure, the odds of Christie going all Guiliani on us are still pretty high. But this year is so unusual that it may defy all past trends (or it just could confirm all past trends--that is how weird it is).
The race started to form so long before the first caucusi and primaries, the cast of characters is so strange and diverse, the money is flowing so fast and unchecked, that truly anyone can come back yet--including Romney in some scenarios.
Jeb! was unassailable, and funded like no one in history at the start of this race, only to slowly sink in the Everglades swamp to where even his own brother might not support him. Walker was riding so high that Iowa was all but his and the Kochs were ready to anoint him, only to tank and leave the race completely. Rand Paul was the flavor of the month that had everyone worried, until he stepped in horse***** and then put his foot in his mouth and now he is an after-thought. Yet, at the same time, Carson has said more stupid things than all the others combined (quite a feat, mind you) and has risen to the top of the polls. Trump was the 10 ton gorilla romping and stomping all over the field with such alacrity and staying power that he could dictate his own terms to CNN for the debate. Only now he is losing ground each week. Carly rose from the kids' table with an ascent that projected to a top three position, only to somehow get lost by the third debate and now is an also-ran. Rubio is the guy everyone is touting now (including me), but his skeletons have barely been exposed, and his amnesty position may be a poison pill. Cruz is laying in the weeds waiting for his time for a putsch and he just might make it, for all we know.
Meaning it is all so fluid and there is still 90 days before anything even close to real happens. As long as Christie can hang in there and a few others drop out he stands a reasonable chance of making it to the dance.
none of the other GOP candidates are even taking him seriously yet. If his campaign actually started showing a pulse and his opponents wanted to take him out, they have an almost endless supply of negatives to slam him with. and it's all true.
the pundit meme seems to be that Christie has a shot in NH. I think his "base" is the Beltway punditry, because out there in the real world, he has only a tiny sliver of a better chance in NH than anywhere else. Current poll average in NH for the big guy -- in eighth place at 4.3%. And that's in the state where his is making his stand.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_republican_presidential_primary-3350.html
mfpark said:
BTW, I would not so blithely count the big fella out just yet.
Sure, the odds of Christie going all Guiliani on us are still pretty high. But this year is so unusual that it may defy all past trends (or it just could confirm all past trends--that is how weird it is).
The race started to form so long before the first caucusi and primaries, the cast of characters is so strange and diverse, the money is flowing so fast and unchecked, that truly anyone can come back yet--including Romney in some scenarios.
Jeb! was unassailable, and funded like no one in history at the start of this race, only to slowly sink in the Everglades swamp to where even his own brother might not support him. Walker was riding so high that Iowa was all but his and the Kochs were ready to anoint him, only to tank and leave the race completely. Rand Paul was the flavor of the month that had everyone worried, until he stepped in horse***** and then put his foot in his mouth and now he is an after-thought. Yet, at the same time, Carson has said more stupid things than all the others combined (quite a feat, mind you) and has risen to the top of the polls. Trump was the 10 ton gorilla romping and stomping all over the field with such alacrity and staying power that he could dictate his own terms to CNN for the debate. Only now he is losing ground each week. Carly rose from the kids' table with an ascent that projected to a top three position, only to somehow get lost by the third debate and now is an also-ran. Rubio is the guy everyone is touting now (including me), but his skeletons have barely been exposed, and his amnesty position may be a poison pill. Cruz is laying in the weeds waiting for his time for a putsch and he just might make it, for all we know.
Meaning it is all so fluid and there is still 90 days before anything even close to real happens. As long as Christie can hang in there and a few others drop out he stands a reasonable chance of making it to the dance.
I think you have it about right.
GL2 said:
I need to defend BCC here - anyone who can look at the top of the list of GOP candidates w/o smirking (dem) or sighing (con) is a model of courage.
Please don't defend me any more. I am a Democrat and I'm not smirking. I am wondering just how flawed a candidate has to be to be losing to Ben Carson at this point.
BCC said:
GL2 said:Please don't defend me any more. I am a Democrat and I'm not smirking. I am wondering just how flawed a candidate has to be to be losing to Ben Carson at this point.
I need to defend BCC here - anyone who can look at the top of the list of GOP candidates w/o smirking (dem) or sighing (con) is a model of courage.
According to the poll you posted and many of the other recent polls published, isn't EVERYONE losing to Ben Carson right now?
ridski said:
BCC said:According to the poll you posted and many of the other recent polls published, isn't EVERYONE losing to Ben Carson right now?
GL2 said:Please don't defend me any more. I am a Democrat and I'm not smirking. I am wondering just how flawed a candidate has to be to be losing to Ben Carson at this point.
I need to defend BCC here - anyone who can look at the top of the list of GOP candidates w/o smirking (dem) or sighing (con) is a model of courage.
Actually in almost every poll of the GOP candidates Trump is far and away the winner and strangely enough he loses to Hillary.
Perhaps it has something to do with the extremely high negatives Trump and Clinton have and the extremely high positive Carson has. You figure it out. It beats me.
BCC said:Perhaps it has something to do with the extremely high negatives Trump and Clinton have and the extremely high positive Carson has. You figure it out. It beats me.
I figured it out: It's completely meaningless since, among other reasons, the campaigns are not focused on a head-to-head R v. D race yet. These polls are just fodder for the maw and nothing else.
ridski said:
BCC said:According to the poll you posted and many of the other recent polls published, isn't EVERYONE losing to Ben Carson right now?
GL2 said:Please don't defend me any more. I am a Democrat and I'm not smirking. I am wondering just how flawed a candidate has to be to be losing to Ben Carson at this point.
I need to defend BCC here - anyone who can look at the top of the list of GOP candidates w/o smirking (dem) or sighing (con) is a model of courage.
It could be because of Carson's position on the Egyptian pyramids, as posted by dave23 on the GOP thread.
BCC said:
GL2 said:Please don't defend me any more. I am a Democrat and I'm not smirking. I am wondering just how flawed a candidate has to be to be losing to Ben Carson at this point.
I need to defend BCC here - anyone who can look at the top of the list of GOP candidates w/o smirking (dem) or sighing (con) is a model of courage.
Lindsey Graham is wondering the same thing, sometimes out loud.
As for Christie it will not be long until one of the other GOP candidates, probably Trump, picks up on the fact that the Democrats in NJ have just won the largest majority they have had in the Assembly in something like 40 years. I do not think Christie's campaign is going anywhere.
Now tell me exactly what a Carson Presidency would look like.
LOST said:
BCC said:Lindsey Graham is wondering the same thing, sometimes out loud.
GL2 said:Please don't defend me any more. I am a Democrat and I'm not smirking. I am wondering just how flawed a candidate has to be to be losing to Ben Carson at this point.
I need to defend BCC here - anyone who can look at the top of the list of GOP candidates w/o smirking (dem) or sighing (con) is a model of courage.
As for Christie it will not be long until one of the other GOP candidates, probably Trump, picks up on the fact that the Democrats in NJ have just won the largest majority they have had in the Assembly in something like 40 years. I do not think Christie's campaign is going anywhere.
Now tell me exactly what a Carson Presidency would look like.
Now you tell me. I don't recall any time in which I supported a Carson Presidency - in fact my comments have been in the other direction.
BCC,
I was not addressing you specifically with that question. I was asking everyone and anyone who wanted to answer.
I know you are an old-fashioned Liberal Democrat who supports Bernie Sanders.
dave23 said:
BCC saidI figured it out: It's completely meaningless since, among other reasons, the campaigns are not focused on a head-to-head R v. D race yet. These polls are just fodder for the maw and nothing else.erhaps it has something to do with the extremely high negatives Trump and Clinton have and the extremely high positive Carson has. You figure it out. It beats me.
It's because when people compare Republicans to Republicans they're comparing percentages, but the question is percentage of what? Who? How many? No one says what the BASE upon which the percentages are based, that is, how many Rs are actually voting as opposed to how many Ds are voting. You don't just want Percentages but you want numbers. 80% of 10 is 8. 20% of 200 is 40. How many are in.the base, is terribly crucial to.who has more actual votes.
A Carson presidency will be long on really strange speeches given by an increasingly isolated and ignored President Carson. Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell will become the de facto presidents of the United States, making policy and telling Carson what to sign. Carson will be happy to do this so long as they let him use his bully pulpit to educate Americans on why we are forestalling the Second Coming through our stiff-necked pursuit of immoral pleasures. He will become the first president to never leave the continental United States during his term in office.
springgreen2 said:
dave23 said:It's because when people compare Republicans to Republicans they're comparing percentages, but the question is percentage of what? Who? How many? No one says what the BASE upon which the percentages are based, that is, how many Rs are actually voting as opposed to how many Ds are voting. You don't just want Percentages but you want numbers. 80% of 10 is 8. 20% of 200 is 40. How many are in.the base, is terribly crucial to.who has more actual votes.
BCC saidI figured it out: It's completely meaningless since, among other reasons, the campaigns are not focused on a head-to-head R v. D race yet. These polls are just fodder for the maw and nothing else.
And more importantly, how many in the base actually turn out to vote. And, in the case of the poor, are allowed to vote.
mfpark said:
A Carson presidency will be long on really strange speeches given by an increasingly isolated and ignored President Carson. Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell will become the de facto presidents of the United States, making policy and telling Carson what to sign. Carson will be happy to do this so long as they let him use his bully pulpit to educate Americans on why we are forestalling the Second Coming through our stiff-necked pursuit of immoral pleasures. He will become the first president to never leave the continental United States during his term in office.
That is as good a guess as any.
So the unspoken outcome of this Christie moment of partial lucidity is "ok, we have a big drug problem. If we address it, that's going to.take big $$. Do you expect the Feds to help? If so, there go your lower taxes. You say you don't like big government, do how do you expect us to have the government intervene in this without raising taxes????" How can you have a war on drugs and a war on Isis and also lower taxes?
springgreen2 said:
So the unspoken outcome of this Christie moment of partial lucidity is "ok, we have a big drug problem. If we address it, that's going to.take big $$. Do you expect the Feds to help? If so, there go your lower taxes. You say you don't like big government, do how do you expect us to have the government intervene in this without raising taxes????" How can you have a war on drugs and a war on Isis and also lower taxes?
I think you have forgot to consider that the treatment of addicts will replace the incarceration of addicts. I haven't done the math but would guess treating them will not cost much more financially, and possibly less, than locking them up.
As far as ISIS is concerned, that war will now be prosecuted by the Russians and depending on how it turns out, Obama will be judged as being wise to have basically stayed out of it or a complete failure in foreign policy.
mfpark said:
BTW, I would not so blithely count the big fella out just yet.
Sure, the odds of Christie going all Guiliani on us are still pretty high. But this year is so unusual that it may defy all past trends (or it just could confirm all past trends--that is how weird it is).
The race started to form so long before the first caucusi and primaries, the cast of characters is so strange and diverse, the money is flowing so fast and unchecked, that truly anyone can come back yet--including Romney in some scenarios.
Jeb! was unassailable, and funded like no one in history at the start of this race, only to slowly sink in the Everglades swamp to where even his own brother might not support him. Walker was riding so high that Iowa was all but his and the Kochs were ready to anoint him, only to tank and leave the race completely. Rand Paul was the flavor of the month that had everyone worried, until he stepped in horse***** and then put his foot in his mouth and now he is an after-thought. Yet, at the same time, Carson has said more stupid things than all the others combined (quite a feat, mind you) and has risen to the top of the polls. Trump was the 10 ton gorilla romping and stomping all over the field with such alacrity and staying power that he could dictate his own terms to CNN for the debate. Only now he is losing ground each week. Carly rose from the kids' table with an ascent that projected to a top three position, only to somehow get lost by the third debate and now is an also-ran. Rubio is the guy everyone is touting now (including me), but his skeletons have barely been exposed, and his amnesty position may be a poison pill. Cruz is laying in the weeds waiting for his time for a putsch and he just might make it, for all we know.
Meaning it is all so fluid and there is still 90 days before anything even close to real happens. As long as Christie can hang in there and a few others drop out he stands a reasonable chance of making it to the dance.
And --- the big guy has been bumped to the kids' table.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/upcoming-gop-debate-lineup-revealed
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BELMONT, N.H. -- While campaigning recently during happy hour at Shooter's Tavern here in this small New Hampshire community, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) related a pair of personal anecdotes to elucidate why he thinks the United States should change the way it handles drug addicts.
After speaking in highly personal terms about his late mother's smoking addiction, Christie recounted an emotional story about a law school friend who became addicted to prescription painkillers.
Although Christie has failed to move the needle in national polls, he has been well received in more intimate New Hampshire town halls. Watch the above video, an outtake from a recent episode of the HuffPost original series '16 And President, to see why it may be a mistake to count Christie out of the race for the Republican presidential nomination just yet.