The Rose Garden and White House happenings: Listening to voters’ concerns
To repeat -
nohero said:
Nothing that happened before Biden usurped the Presidency is relevant to any of these discussions.
Anyone worried about the Biden presidency yet?
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bidens-approval-rating-isnt-bouncing-back/
Smedley said:
Anyone worried about the Biden presidency yet?
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bidens-approval-rating-isnt-bouncing-back/
election is 3 years away. why are you so worried?
jamie said:
mtierney said:
TDS, I believe is incurable. What happened in Kabul, at the Kabul airport, the abandonment of Americans and Afghan operatives in Afghanistan, the cruel reality at Del Rio, etc, were all on Biden’s watch. He owns what he sowed.
thanks for deflecting on the Pompeo pic - that says a lot.
Can you show us the current list of Americans who were abandoned in Afghanistan?
What is the current situation in Del Rio?
Not an exact account of the number, but getting Americans and their allies out of Afghanistan is still a priority — until we forget.
Smedley said:
Anyone worried about the Biden presidency yet?
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bidens-approval-rating-isnt-bouncing-back/
No...But then I don't hate him.
When the son of a Biden is not nearly as interesting to the media as the son of a Trump.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/opinion/biden-ethics-son.html
"The debate over the tragedy in Afghanistan has swirled around why the U.S. was so slow in evacuating Afghan allies eligible for Special Immigrant visas (SIVs). There are many reasons. One is that the Trump administration intentionally broke the SIV processing system in 2017 creating a huge backlog of Afghan partners who could have been evacuated earlier.
"The system was so gummed up that, by early 2021, the average wait time for an SIV had soared to well over two years."
Link: How Trump broke the system that offers protection to Afghan allies
And note, nothing was done to speed up, or even resume the process at its prior level, when the previous President set the date for full withdrawal of U.S. troops, and started issuing orders for troops to leave Afghanistan.
mtierney said:
When the son of a Biden is not nearly as interesting to the media as the son of a Trump.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/opinion/biden-ethics-son.html
Hunter Derangement Syndrome strikes again.
mtierney said:
When the son of a Biden is not nearly as interesting to the media as the son of a Trump.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/opinion/biden-ethics-son.html
Just noting that the above is a link to the media, wherein there are more links to the media.
mtierney said:
Not an exact account of the number, but getting Americans and their allies out of Afghanistan is still a priority — until we forget.
According to this article the number is around 100 Americans and legal permanent residents. 3 weeks ago - Blinken said there were several thousand - so pretty good progress. How many Afghan refugees are you okay with accepting into the US?
drummerboy said:
Smedley said:
Anyone worried about the Biden presidency yet?
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bidens-approval-rating-isnt-bouncing-back/
election is 3 years away. why are you so worried?
Ever hear of midterms?
Smedley said:
drummerboy said:
Smedley said:
Anyone worried about the Biden presidency yet?
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bidens-approval-rating-isnt-bouncing-back/
election is 3 years away. why are you so worried?
Ever hear of midterms?
Much can change.
I know what a lot of you "concerned" are doing. Repeating Biden is a failure, his policies are failing, he's ineffectual, incompetent and so on. It to get it into the mindset of the American public so that this repetition over time it will adversely weaken him, his policies and his party.
Its the same trick that was used on Hillary Clinton. With her it was that she's a crook, unethical and only for herself. After years of repetition many bought into that.
Yes, I am trying to subvert the Biden presidency and the Democratic Party via a grass-roots MOL disinformation campaign. You got me. (hands up)
Apparently today's headline story about the president on one of the biggest, most influential political media outlets can't be brought up on the Rose Garden thread without unpleasantness. Must. not. say. anything. remotely. critical. about. Biden. It's like the third rail of MOL.
Smedley said:
Must. not. say. anything. remotely. critical. about. Biden. It's like the third rail of MOL.
You asked a question. You got three replies. I must have missed the zap.
I don't think saying that I "hate" Biden, or that I'm nefariously spreading disinformation, are rational replies to the 538 story.
Smedley said:
I don't think saying that I "hate" Biden, or that I'm nefariously spreading disinformation, are rational replies to the 538 story.
So ignore them. It can’t be that hard to disregard a couple of replies without feeling like all of MOL is against you.
Smedley said:
Anyone worried about the Biden presidency yet?
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bidens-approval-rating-isnt-bouncing-back/
the other guy came within a few hundred thousand well-placed votes in a handful of states in '20, and his approval rating was well under water for four years.
like it or not, our elections come down to one candidate from each party. it's very possible a GOP contender will have an approval rating even lower than 45%. possibly a lot lower.
The practical significance of Biden's approval rating is what impact it will have on the midterms, and how it may diminish his political capital and by extension his ability to get things done. Im not thinking of any one-on-one scenarios in '24 because I fully expect Biden won't be running.
Smedley said:
The practical significance of Biden's approval rating is what impact it will have on the midterms, and how it may diminish his political capital and by extension his ability to get things done. Im not thinking of any one-on-one scenarios in '24 because I fully expect Biden won't be running.
what about the effect the other guy will have on the midterms? every GOP candidate is likely to be a full-on Trumper, or at least Trump-friendly.
Smedley said:
Of course, each race will have its own dynamics.
so is your argument that Biden's popularity will affect midterm elections, except when it doesn't?
I can't disagree with that.
Ha.
Well at least folks seem to have abandoned the argument that Biden's approval decline was a blip attributable to unfair media coverage of the Afghanistan pullout -- which was the prevailing wisdom 5-6 weeks ago.
Smedley said:
Ha.
Well at least folks seem to have abandoned the argument that Biden's approval decline was a blip attributable to unfair media coverage of the Afghanistan pullout -- which was the prevailing wisdom 5-6 weeks ago.
it's been followed by constant coverage that he's "failing" with the spending bills.
the reality is that if a significant infrastructure and spending bill passes and projects start getting funded next year, none of the noise circulating now will matter. Of course if nothing passes, then who knows what happens next year? But if Democrats can't pass a popular spending bill, they pretty much deserve what they get. And THAT will be the determining factor in the midterms. Sure, Biden's approval rating will sink if the spending bills fail. But his approval rating won't be the cause of what happens in the next election. BOTH his approval rating and the election outcome will likely be the result of the vote on the spending bills.
sometimes it's obvious when correlation isn't causation.
Smedley said:
Ha.
Well at least folks seem to have abandoned the argument that Biden's approval decline was a blip attributable to unfair media coverage of the Afghanistan pullout -- which was the prevailing wisdom 5-6 weeks ago.
I defy you to find the word blip, or anything synonymous, in any post regarding Biden's polling.
And by the way, CNN is still using the word "chaos" or a derivative whenever it mentions the Afghan pullout. Every time.
The last budget passed was a Republican one. The debt ceiling has to be raised to pay for that.
The plot thickens re FB whistleblower’s role…
ridski said:
The last budget passed was a Republican one. The debt ceiling has to be raised to pay for that.
Stop using facts. It's unfair to someone who can't grasp them.
mtierney said:
The plot thickens re FB whistleblower’s role…
To spare any others the temptation: The plot is that Haugen donated $2,000 to Democrats, including “radical” Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, over five years, averaging $50 per donation.
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Still nowhere as bad as what Trump asked for on November 11 last year when he ordered General Milley to withdraw all forces within 2 months.