The Rose Garden and White House happenings: Listening to voters’ concerns

ridski said:

Smedley said:

ridski said:

Why is this still going on?

 You're free to change the topic rather than just spitball. 

 I did. You just changed it back 3 days later. Why?

 I came on here today and this is what the most recent posts were about. 


Smedley said:

Genuinely curious here. I've said what I believe -- that U.S. has a lot of work to do in eliminating racism, but on balance, overall, the U.S. is not a racist country. I think we can all agree on the first part of my statement. The second part is not a right or wrong answer, rather it is my opinion. I'm sure there are differing opinions. 

PVW gave you a thoughtful reply a while ago. Having Liked it, I don’t see the need to repeat it myself, especially since your curiosity hasn’t yet risen to the level of addressing it.

Micro-discussions are harder to resist. Boy, do I know.


Smedley said:

This begs the question, why are some folks on here so paranoid about answering and falling into what they perceive as a "trap"? What would be the consequence of saying yes or no (with or without elaboration)? 

 


Smedley said:

ml1 said:

Smedley said:

ml1 said:

drummerboy said:

Smedley said:

nohero said:

    So neither fell into the trap, which I had pointed out, of answering "Yes" or "No" to the bullsiht question. This is contrary to the claim you made in this thread.

     That is your interpretation. I read it pretty clearly that they both answered the question (which btw I don't see why it's a "trap" or a "BS" question). And that was how it was broadly covered in the press. So if they didn't answer the question, they fooled a lot of people into thinking they did. 

     The fact that you don't see the question as a trap tells us everything we need to know.

     of course it's a trap question.  If the answer was an obvious self-evident "no", why would anyone even ask the question?  It's an attempt to get someone to give the truthful answer of  "yes" in order that the right wingers will freak out.

     The only right winger on this site that I'm aware of on this site is mtierney, I doubt she'd freak out by you saying yes, and I doubt you'd mind if she did freak out. 

     where did I say it was right-wingers on this site?

    You expressed wariness/reticence about answering a trap question that would result in right wingers freaking out. But this thread is written and read only by people who are on this site. So why would you care how non-MOL right wingers might respond, being as they're not going to see what you write?

     you and dB were discussing Biden and Harris responding to the question. And you were the one who brought them up. That's what I was commenting on. Sheesh, it's bad enough when you can't follow along with other people's comments. Now you can't seem to even keep up with yourself. 


    ridski said:

    mtierney said:

     For full disclosure, let me state: I am a conservative, not a right-winger. 

     You haven't been a conservative since 2016, mtierney. You just haven't been able to admit it.


    What happened on Oct.17, 2012?

     


    mtierney said:

    What happened on Oct.17, 2012?

     

    Back then, you were concerned over how the US president responded to an attack, but today you embrace and support a former president who himself incited an attack. This is something you're proud of?


    PVW said:

    mtierney said:

    What happened on Oct.17, 2012?

     

    Back then, you were concerned over how the US president responded to an attack, but today you embrace and support a former president who himself incited an attack. This is something you're proud of?

     Mrs. Mtierney was not expecting that answer.


    MT conservative? 
    more like anti-liberal. Because her leader is no conservative by any stretch. 
    and somehow it always goes back to Benghazi....


    PVW said:

    Back then, you were concerned over how the US president responded to an attack, but today you embrace and support a former president who himself incited an attack. This is something you're proud of?

     It is the progressives and liberals here who are so fixated on Trump, they can’t think straight. Time for them to realize that neglecting the present direction of the Democratic Party due to their Trumpian Fixation Disorder, they are unaware of what is happening right under their noses in Washington. Free speech, freedom of expression, forming opinions not previously approved by others, love for our country, are all on the chopping block.There are many people  wary of much of the new decrees in the Woke Manifesto, etc. It’s  beginning to sound like Socialism’s rise in the 1930s.



    mtierney said:

     It is the progressives and liberals here who are so fixated on Trump, they can’t think straight. Time for them to realize that neglecting the present direction of the Democratic Party due to their Trumpian Fixation Disorder, they are unaware of what is happening right under their noses in Washington. Free speech, freedom of expression, forming opinions not previously approved by others, love for our country, are all on the chopping block.There are many people  wary of much of the new decrees in the Woke Manifesto, etc. It’s  beginning to sound like Socialism’s rise in the 1930s.

    You supported, and continue to support, a man and movement that violently attacked our government in an attempt to overturn a free election. Are you absolutely sure you want to go looking for 1930s parallels?


    And speaking of the "present direction" of our political parties, what are we to make of the GOP excommunication of Rep. Cheney? It's striking that even a torture apologist like her can't sign on to the Trumpist lie -- and that this is apparently an unforgivable sin. Perhaps there is, indeed, a "Trumpian Fixation Disorder," but it's not something any Republican can diagnose without the use of a mirror.


    mtierney said:

     It is the progressives and liberals here who are so fixated on Trump, they can’t think straight. Time for them to realize that neglecting the present direction of the Democratic Party due to their Trumpian Fixation Disorder, they are unaware of what is happening right under their noses in Washington. Free speech, freedom of expression, forming opinions not previously approved by others, love for our country, are all on the chopping block.There are many people  wary of much of the new decrees in the Woke Manifesto, etc. It’s  beginning to sound like Socialism’s rise in the 1930s.

     this, by the way, is not a post by a "conservative". It's a screed by a right-winger.


    mtierney said:

     It is the progressives and liberals here who are so fixated on Trump, they can’t think straight. Time for them to realize that neglecting the present direction of the Democratic Party due to their Trumpian Fixation Disorder, they are unaware of what is happening right under their noses in Washington. Free speech, freedom of expression, forming opinions not previously approved by others, love for our country, are all on the chopping block.There are many people  wary of much of the new decrees in the Woke Manifesto, etc. It’s  beginning to sound like Socialism’s rise in the 1930s.

     ****, I’m not even sure if you know how programmed you’ve become.


    mtierney said:

     It is the progressives and liberals here who are so fixated on Trump, they can’t think straight. Time for them to realize that neglecting the present direction of the Democratic Party due to their Trumpian Fixation Disorder, they are unaware of what is happening right under their noses in Washington. Free speech, freedom of expression, forming opinions not previously approved by others, love for our country, are all on the chopping block.There are many people  wary of much of the new decrees in the Woke Manifesto, etc. It’s  beginning to sound like Socialism’s rise in the 1930s.

    It's disturbing that there are enough uninformed and bigoted people so that cartoonist has a job producing that garbage.


    mtierney said:

     It is the progressives and liberals here who are so fixated on Trump, they can’t think straight. Time for them to realize that neglecting the present direction of the Democratic Party due to their Trumpian Fixation Disorder, they are unaware of what is happening right under their noses in Washington. Free speech, freedom of expression, forming opinions not previously approved by others, love for our country, are all on the chopping block.There are many people  wary of much of the new decrees in the Woke Manifesto, etc. It’s  beginning to sound like Socialism’s rise in the 1930s.

    Leaving aside the idiotic notion that the Democrats represent "socialism" for a moment, you do know who the most staunch opponents of socialism in the 30s were, don't you? 


    Is the face representing "Fascism" Dr. Fauci?


    ridski said:

    Is the face representing "Fascism" Dr. Fauci?

    It's either that, or mask-wearing in general is "Fascism".  Either way, we're back to "anti-mask" right-wing propaganda.

    As for some of the others, I don't know if it's dumber to call Bernie Sanders "Communist" or Joe Biden "Socialist".


    Trumpian Fixation Disorder in action: House Republicans oust Cheney from leadership for calling out Trump’s false election claims

    Was Cheney too "woke"? A "socialist"? Tell us, mtierney.


    The Republicans should be ashamed. The votes were only verbal,not counted. All very hush,hush. McCarthy should be embarrassed.


    Here's a grown woman blaming Joe Biden for a shortage of sauce at Chick-Fil-A.


    ridski said:

    Here's a grown woman blaming Joe Biden for a shortage of sauce at Chick-Fil-A.

     plus ça change...



    Whoops! Can you believe a mistake of this magnitude and impact by the CDC? Before you say it is better to be safe than sorry, the numbers were challenged way back in 2020, but the CDC kept silent.

    “For more than a year, people have been wearing masks while outside and limiting their activities thinking that COVID-19 was spread outdoors. Outdoor graduations were canceled, sports games held without any fans, and some states even prohibited families from attending the burials of loved ones. And all of that precaution was for nothing.

    “On May 11, The New York Times (NYT) reported that the CDC announcedin April that “less than 10% of the documented transmission” of the virus happened outside. At first glance, it seems that the entire year’s outdoor restrictions were all based on just a 10% chance it would spread outside — but it’s even worse than that. The NYT reports the actual number of outdoor transmissions is closer to 0.1% to 1%. A virologist at the University of St. Andrews, Dr. Muge Cevik, called the CDC’s percentage a “huge exaggeration.”

    What are the CDC’s motives? What else don’t we know?



    So no comment on Cheney's cancellation, then?


    mtierney said:

    ...

    What are the CDC’s motives? What else don’t we know?

     4 years of being under Trump's control can make you stupid.


    PVW said:

    So no comment on Cheney's cancellation, then?

    The easiest thing on social media is recognizing who's really interested in having a discussion. 


    mtierney said:

    Whoops! Can you believe a mistake of this magnitude and impact by the CDC? Before you say it is better to be safe than sorry, the numbers were challenged way back in 2020, but the CDC kept silent.

    “For more than a year, people have been wearing masks while outside and limiting their activities thinking that COVID-19 was spread outdoors. Outdoor graduations were canceled, sports games held without any fans, and some states even prohibited families from attending the burials of loved ones. And all of that precaution was for nothing.

    “On May 11, The New York Times (NYT) reported that the CDC announcedin April that “less than 10% of the documented transmission” of the virus happened outside. At first glance, it seems that the entire year’s outdoor restrictions were all based on just a 10% chance it would spread outside — but it’s even worse than that. The NYT reports the actual number of outdoor transmissions is closer to 0.1% to 1%. A virologist at the University of St. Andrews, Dr. Muge Cevik, called the CDC’s percentage a “huge exaggeration.”

    What are the CDC’s motives? What else don’t we know?

     where is this quote from?

    My only response to it is that a lot things are obvious in hindsight. In real time, not so much. 


    DaveSchmidt said:

    The easiest thing on social media is recognizing who's really interested in having a discussion. 

     She's been so eager to talk about cancel culture and fixations on the ex president, I can't imagine why she wouldn't be interested in discussing Cheney.


    ml1 said:

    mtierney said:

    Whoops! Can you believe a mistake of this magnitude and impact by the CDC? Before you say it is better to be safe than sorry, the numbers were challenged way back in 2020, but the CDC kept silent.

    “For more than a year, people have been wearing masks while outside and limiting their activities thinking that COVID-19 was spread outdoors. Outdoor graduations were canceled, sports games held without any fans, and some states even prohibited families from attending the burials of loved ones. And all of that precaution was for nothing.

    “On May 11, The New York Times (NYT) reported that the CDC announcedin April that “less than 10% of the documented transmission” of the virus happened outside. At first glance, it seems that the entire year’s outdoor restrictions were all based on just a 10% chance it would spread outside — but it’s even worse than that. The NYT reports the actual number of outdoor transmissions is closer to 0.1% to 1%. A virologist at the University of St. Andrews, Dr. Muge Cevik, called the CDC’s percentage a “huge exaggeration.”

    What are the CDC’s motives? What else don’t we know?

     where is this quote from?

    My only response to it is that a lot things are obvious in hindsight. In real time, not so much. 

    Lines from the quote can't be found using the Google, so it's probably from a Facebook group or an email that's been passed around.

    The last line, with the Covid conspiracy mongering, is pure Mtierney.


    PVW said:

    So no comment on Cheney's cancellation, then?

     In order of importance, I put Cheney at the bottom of the issues of today. She stopped being a team player and her fellow Republicans took her platform away.

    Funny - or perhaps ironic is a better description — how the libs and progressives here take little notice of, or responsibility for,  the exploding crises at the border, the Afghan uprising, the Palestinian and Israeli violence, the sabotage of the pipeline, the return of the ‘70s gasoline shortages, etc etc. 

    Not the least of our own internal upsets is the fact that months and months of rioting and destruction and racial anger toward police  in cities across America has weakened respect for police and crime, and criminals have taken note — crime in NYC alone is way up, and the murder rate is showing the score.

    How’s Biden doing — and where in the world is Kamala?


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