The Rose Garden and White House happenings: Listening to voters’ concerns
mtierney said:
Aside to disgruntled posters who ask questions, don’t like the answers, and the claim their questions were ignored: sometimes a question is asked in a gotcha way that is best overlooked; sometimes a question is lost in hateful diatribe, best not to rattle some cages; and finally, the question is nonsensical .
um, I can't dislike answers that I don't get.
My last few questions were very straightforward - it's just that you're afraid of the answers.
So how about that Dingell joke - classy or not?
But the joke soured when Mrs Clinton, along with all her baggage, became the DNC nominee.
Actually you said he was a "bad joke". And that was before both Clinton and Trump won their primaries.
I'm shocked* that out of all the NY Times op-eds mtierney posts here, she didn't post this one.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/opinion/lincoln-project.html
*levels of actual shock may vary
mtierney said:
Aside to disgruntled posters who ask questions, don’t like the answers, and the claim their questions were ignored: sometimes a question is asked in a gotcha way that is best overlooked; sometimes a question is lost in hateful diatribe, best not to rattle some cages; and finally, the question is nonsensical .
You would think that Trumpkins would try to avoid that phrase.
mtierney said:
Apparently, there is a return of the poster who only thinks and writes of human bodily waste. Which actually speaks volumes from whence his opinions emerge.
For a brief period here, I believe we actually had a conversation going!
Smedley, I shall persevere. But I do believe there are others in MOLand who would join in an expression of their conservative views. However, facing the gang of school boys who pounce and trash the messenger/poster, is off-putting.
I'll go ahead and express my conservative views. Earlier today I was thinking back to the time when Obama was speaking at a campaign rally and implied that the deceased husband of a local Congressperson was in Hell. If I may be so bold as to speak for decent, compassionate people, I'll go ahead and say that was a real disappointment. Especially from the President of the United States. I hope I never find myself in a situation where I feel compelled to imply that someone's recently deceased spouse or family member was anywhere other than the eternally blissful place they deserve.
I'm sure everyone here shares my disappointment with the President who made this assertion.
Conservatives will someday face the horrible truth that the Republican Party fought so hard to justify and excuse an amoral and self-serving president, and what he gave them in return was bigger government and erosion of the principles and values they once claimed to cherish.
— Justin Amash (@justinamash) December 18, 2019
As a Catholic, I'm pretty sure mtierney does not read Christianity Today. As an atheist, I sure don't. But mtierney does claim to be a conservative, and there are few more conservative than Billy Graham and his evangelical followers, so I found it interesting that from this particular conservative perspective, the editorial board of Christianity Today called for President Trump to be removed from office.
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2019/december-web-only/trump-should-be-removed-from-office.html
"To the many evangelicals who continue to support Mr. Trump in spite of his blackened moral record, we might say this: Remember who you are and whom you serve. Consider how your justification of Mr. Trump influences your witness to your Lord and Savior. Consider what an unbelieving world will say if you continue to brush off Mr. Trump’s immoral words and behavior in the cause of political expediency. If we don’t reverse course now, will anyone take anything we say about justice and righteousness with any seriousness for decades to come? Can we say with a straight face that abortion is a great evil that cannot be tolerated
and, with the same straight face, say that the bent and broken character of our nation’s leader doesn’t really matter in the end?"
ridski said:
As a Catholic, I'm pretty sure mtierney does not read Christianity Today. As an atheist, I sure don't. But mtierney does claim to be a conservative, and there are few more conservative than Billy Graham and his evangelical followers, so I found it interesting that from this particular conservative perspective, the editorial board of Christianity Today called for President Trump to be removed from office.
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2019/december-web-only/trump-should-be-removed-from-office.html
"To the many evangelicals who continue to support Mr. Trump in spite of his blackened moral record, we might say this: Remember who you are and whom you serve. Consider how your justification of Mr. Trump influences your witness to your Lord and Savior. Consider what an unbelieving world will say if you continue to brush off Mr. Trump’s immoral words and behavior in the cause of political expediency. If we don’t reverse course now, will anyone take anything we say about justice and righteousness with any seriousness for decades to come? Can we say with a straight face that abortion is a great evil that cannot be tolerated
and, with the same straight face, say that the bent and broken character of our nation’s leader doesn’t really matter in the end?"
Really gets to the point. As I have said before, Trump is not a good man. Especially, DJT stiffing the proverbial little guy who worked on, or provided services, to his AC casinos. Learned about this behavior from several little guys who got screwed by DJT (long before DJT became #45). It still burns me up. What is the opposite of noblesse oblige?
RealityForAll said:
ridski said:
As a Catholic, I'm pretty sure mtierney does not read Christianity Today. As an atheist, I sure don't. But mtierney does claim to be a conservative, and there are few more conservative than Billy Graham and his evangelical followers, so I found it interesting that from this particular conservative perspective, the editorial board of Christianity Today called for President Trump to be removed from office.
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2019/december-web-only/trump-should-be-removed-from-office.html
"To the many evangelicals who continue to support Mr. Trump in spite of his blackened moral record, we might say this: Remember who you are and whom you serve. Consider how your justification of Mr. Trump influences your witness to your Lord and Savior. Consider what an unbelieving world will say if you continue to brush off Mr. Trump’s immoral words and behavior in the cause of political expediency. If we don’t reverse course now, will anyone take anything we say about justice and righteousness with any seriousness for decades to come? Can we say with a straight face that abortion is a great evil that cannot be tolerated
and, with the same straight face, say that the bent and broken character of our nation’s leader doesn’t really matter in the end?"Really gets to the point. As I have said before, Trump is not a good man. Especially, DJT stiffing the proverbial little guy who worked on, or provided services, to his AC casinos. Learned about this behavior from several little guys who got screwed by DJT (long before DJT became #45). It still burns me up. What is the opposite of noblesse oblige?
Of course, Donald J Trump, very stable genius, just told us on twitter he won't be reading ET anymore.
RealityForAll said:
Really gets to the point. As I have said before, Trump is not a good man. Especially, DJT stiffing the proverbial little guy who worked on, or provided services, to his AC casinos. Learned about this behavior from several little guys who got screwed by DJT (long before DJT became #45). It still burns me up. What is the opposite of noblesse oblige?
That happened to our piano guy. He ran a music store where the kid got his lessons. Very honest, ethical, a nice guy.
He supplied Trump and and in return got stiffed.
My relationship with Trump began in 1989, when he asked me to supply several grand and upright pianos to his then-new Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City. I’d been running a music store for more than 30 years at that point, selling instruments to local schools and residents. My business was very much a family affair (my grandsons still run the store). And I had a great relationship with my customers — no one had ever failed to pay.
I was thrilled to get a $100,000 contract from Trump. It was one of the biggest sales I’d ever made. I was supposed to deliver and tune the pianos; the Trump corporation would pay me within 90 days. I asked my lawyer if I should ask for payment upfront, and he laughed. “It’s Donald Trump!” he told me. “He’s got lots of money.”
But when I requested payment, the Trump corporation hemmed and hawed. Its executives avoided my calls and crafted excuses. After a couple of months, I got a letter telling me that the casino was short on funds. They would pay 70 percent of what they owed me. There was no negotiating. I didn’t know what to do — I couldn’t afford to sue the Trump corporation, and I needed money to pay my piano suppliers. So I took the $70,000.
BG9 said:
RealityForAll said:
Really gets to the point. As I have said before, Trump is not a good man. Especially, DJT stiffing the proverbial little guy who worked on, or provided services, to his AC casinos. Learned about this behavior from several little guys who got screwed by DJT (long before DJT became #45). It still burns me up. What is the opposite of noblesse oblige?
That happened to our piano guy. He ran a music store where the kid got his lessons. Very honest, ethical, a nice guy.
He supplied Trump and and in return got stiffed.
My relationship with Trump began in 1989, when he asked me to supply several grand and upright pianos to his then-new Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City. I’d been running a music store for more than 30 years at that point, selling instruments to local schools and residents. My business was very much a family affair (my grandsons still run the store). And I had a great relationship with my customers — no one had ever failed to pay.
I was thrilled to get a $100,000 contract from Trump. It was one of the biggest sales I’d ever made. I was supposed to deliver and tune the pianos; the Trump corporation would pay me within 90 days. I asked my lawyer if I should ask for payment upfront, and he laughed. “It’s Donald Trump!” he told me. “He’s got lots of money.”
But when I requested payment, the Trump corporation hemmed and hawed. Its executives avoided my calls and crafted excuses. After a couple of months, I got a letter telling me that the casino was short on funds. They would pay 70 percent of what they owed me. There was no negotiating. I didn’t know what to do — I couldn’t afford to sue the Trump corporation, and I needed money to pay my piano suppliers. So I took the $70,000.
Yes, exactly same kind of thing that I have heard from other "little guys".
BG9 said:
RealityForAll said:
Really gets to the point. As I have said before, Trump is not a good man. Especially, DJT stiffing the proverbial little guy who worked on, or provided services, to his AC casinos. Learned about this behavior from several little guys who got screwed by DJT (long before DJT became #45). It still burns me up. What is the opposite of noblesse oblige?
That happened to our piano guy. He ran a music store where the kid got his lessons. Very honest, ethical, a nice guy.
He supplied Trump and and in return got stiffed.
That same store owner from whom Bruce Springsteen got his first guitar (just random trivia).
Crickets from mtierney of course.
I've got to give it to Sans. She may not care for children, women or our nation but she has finally found the ability to express unconditional love, if only for DJT. There is literally nothing the man could do that would cause her support for him to waiver.
Klinker said:
Crickets from mtierney of course.
I've got to give it to Sans. She may not care for children, women or our nation but she has finally found the ability to express unconditional love, if only for DJT. There is literally nothing the man could do that would cause her support for him to waiver.
Klinker said:
Crickets from mtierney of course.
I've got to give it to Sans. She may not care for children, women or our nation but she has finally found the ability to express unconditional love, if only for DJT. There is literally nothing the man could do that would cause her support for him to waiver.
Klinker what makes you think that you should take the inventory of another?
Do you believe in forgiveness?
mtierney said:
But the joke soured when Mrs Clinton, along with all her baggage, became the DNC nominee.
So, is it now ok for us to imply that our political opponent's dead spouses are in hell?
I ask because I know that, like Representative Dingle, you recently lost your husband.
With that in mind, I think your insight into this issue would be particularly relevant.
Evangelical response to Christianity Today ...
“Franklin Graham, whose father, the Rev. Billy Graham, founded Christianity Today, said in a Facebook post that the editorial was a “totally partisan attack” and said that the elder Graham had voted for the president in 2016, a little more than a year before he died.
Mr. Graham went on to tally numerous accomplishments that he said Mr. Trump had achieved, and to ask “Why would Christianity Today choose to take the side of the Democrat left whose only goal is to discredit and smear the name of a sitting president?”
The power of the evangelicals as a voting bloc is in their sheer size, and in their symbiotic relationship with the president. “Because they are a third of the Republican base, Trump needs white evangelical Protestants to get elected,” said Robert P. Jones, chief executive of the Public Religion Research Institute. “And because white evangelicals see themselves as a shrinking minority, in both racial and religious terms, they need Trump.”
For the past several years, conservative American politics, and white evangelical Christianity along with it, has realigned steadily and solidly around Mr. Trump and his coalition. Much like the “Never Trump” voices within the Republican Party, evangelical detractors have receded into the background.”
mtierney said:
Mr. Graham went on ... to ask “Why would Christianity Today choose to take the side of the Democrat left whose only goal is to discredit and smear the name of a sitting president?”
I'll take "Hypocrisy When The President Isn't Black" for 1000, Alex."
nohero said:
I'll take "Hypocrisy When The President Isn't Black" for 1000, Alex."
when the writer calls it the "Democrat" Party, you know you can ignore the person as a complete partisan hack.
mtierney said:
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So, you wouldn’t be offended if someone here joked about your spouse the way Trump did about Dingell?
Not that anyone here would ever do such a thing. We are, after all, decent people.
When the cadre of candidates begins to eat their young, there might be only damaged goods left for the voters to consider. Got to glean that herd quickly!
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/20/us/wine-cave-craig-hall.html
just to remind everyone of who wanted to impeach who back in 2016:
Conservatives ... [are] promising to keep investigating Clinton's email issues even if she ends up in the White House. Some conservatives are even saying openly that impeachment hearings should be an option against Clinton.
"There probably ought to be," said Rep. Mo Brooks, R-Ala.
November 2, six days before the election:
The chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee warned Wednesday on Fox News that Hillary Clinton could be impeached if she were elected, essentially delegitimizing Clinton before Election Day.
Reacting to the FBI’s announcement last week that it was reviewing a newly discovered batch of emails related to Clinton’s use of a private email server as secretary of state, Rep. Michael McCaul (R-TX) was emphatic that impeachment would proceed if a criminal indictment of Clinton appeared imminent.
“This investigation will continue whether she wins or not, but assuming she wins and the investigation goes forward, and it looks like an indictment is pending, at that point of time in the Constitution, the House of Representatives would engage in an impeachment trial,” McCaul said referring to a House investigation into Clinton’s e-mails. “It would go to the Senate, and impeachment proceedings and removal would take place.”
... a ... senior Republican, the chairman of a House Judiciary subcommittee, told The Washington Post he is personally convinced Clinton should be impeached for influence peddling involving her family foundation. He favors further congressional investigation into that matter.
“It is my honest opinion that the Clinton Foundation represents potentially one of the greatest examples of political corruption in American history,” said Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz.), who leads the Constitution and Civil Justice subcommittee. “Now that perspective may be disproven, time will tell. But given that conviction on my part, I think all options are definitely on the table.”
[Wisconsin senator Ron] Johnson spoke at some length last week about his theory that Clinton committed impeachable offenses when she used a private e-mail server. And he left no doubt about his intentions. “I’m not a lawyer, but this is clearly written,” he claimed, after citing federal statutes in a rant about the Democratic nominee for president. “I would say yes, high crime or misdemeanor,” said Johnson. “I believe she is in violation of both laws.”
Those who didn't want to talk about impeachment in so many words spoke instead of a constitutional crisis, as CNN reported on November 2:
At a rally Monday, Trump warned of the "very possibility of constitutional crisis" and said if Clinton were elected, she would face criminal investigations and possibly a trial....
Wisconsin Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner told conservative radio host Charlie Sykes Tuesday that there would be a "constitutional crisis" if Clinton was indicted, and when asked about impeachment, answered, "I think that is something that is speculative in nature. I'm speculating, what I can say is that I think Richard Nixon would have been indicted and he would have been impeached. He stopped the impeachment by resigning as a result of Watergate and he stopped the indictment by President Ford pardoning him."
New York Rep. Peter King offered a similar response when speaking on Long Island local radio Tuesday morning.
"There's been nothing like this where you can have potential criminal charges," King said on "L.I. in the AM." Asked about impeachment, King responded investigations could drag on into Clinton's term as president.
"You really could have a constitutional crisis here," King said.
Rep. Louie Gohmert of Texas appeared on Sean Hannity's radio show Monday, where he agreed that a potential Clinton administration is heading towards impeachment and investigations.
"You put your finger on it: we would really have a constitutional crisis," Gohmert said after Hannity said a Clinton presidency would likely be headed towards impeachment. "We've never had anyone under this type of investigation at the top of the election. There's nobody to blame but Hillary."
And as for the GOP electorate, here's Paul Waldman reporting on a survey conducted in late November 2016:
In a recent poll from Politico and Morning Consult, an incredible 82 percent of Republicans said that Clinton's email controversy was "worse than Watergate." In case you've forgotten, that was the scandal in which ... the president himself resigned when congressional Republicans told him he was about to be impeached and was certain to be convicted. That Watergate.
mtierney said:
When the cadre of candidates begins to eat their young, there might be only damaged goods left for the voters to consider. Got to glean that herd quickly!
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/20/us/wine-cave-craig-hall.html
it's astounding to me that you would write such a thing, as if you don't recall how many GOP candidates were tearing into each other during the 2015-16 debates.
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So, what now? House members go back to their districts for the holidays? The Dems have put our government in political limbo. A vote to impeach, is just that. Without a Senate vote, it is dead in the political morass that is Washington.
https://politi.co/2ExCu8c
Aside to disgruntled posters who ask questions, don’t like the answers, and the claim their questions were ignored: sometimes a question is asked in a gotcha way that is best overlooked; sometimes a question is lost in hateful diatribe, best not to rattle some cages; and finally, the question is nonsensical .