The Rose Garden and White House happenings: Listening to voters’ concerns
Trump name O'Brien as new national security advisor. Poor, poor guy. His career is over. I almost feel sorry for him.
Re the rumours of indiscreet promises during phone calls, a few weeks back I did read a BBC article about Pakistan being promised a lot of military support in its border challenges with India. I vaguely remember being surprised that Imrân Khan said nuclear weapons had been discussed. Did anyone else see that? It was the only time I saw such a reference, and at present I don’t have time to chase a link.
I think we might still have been ‘debating’ about Greenland then.
Of course donald trump promised a foreign country support in return for dirt on Biden. And of course republicans continue to cover him. Why are we even surprised?
We can easily beat trump and his little republican scum bags. Our problem is that we are fragmenting ourselves by in-fighting. I actually don't care if Tulsi beats him, or Bernie, or Biden, or Warren, or whoever else. As long as they also rout the republicans in the Senate, the House, and in as many state- and local-governing bodies as possible. Republicans are treasonous cowards. They are the enemy of our country.
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basil said:
Of course donald trump promised a foreign country support in return for dirt on Biden. And of course republicans continue to cover him. Why are we even surprised?
We can easily beat trump and his little republican scum bags. Our problem is that we are fragmenting ourselves by in-fighting. I actually don't care if Tulsi beats him, or Bernie, or Biden, or Warren, or whoever else. As long as they also rout the republicans in the Senate, the House, and in as many state- and local-governing bodies as possible. Republicans are treasonous cowards. They are the enemy of our country.
mtierney said:
Joanne....
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/19/us/politics/trump-australia-state-visit.html
The gold treatment while sports hero teams get Big Macs and ChickNFill's.
The tables in the State Dining Room were laid with the Clinton yellow and gold Lenox china, gold vermeil flatware and gold rimmed wine glasses. Melania Trump wore Chanel.
I can't access the Times article, but I've seen a couple of others indicating this will be a fancy picnic. Not an inside stately affair, with proper mosquito control etc. Will there be a dance floor? If not, despite the music, it's not truly a State dinner. (May I ask what 'choke pasta' is?)
Supposedly highlighting our colours of green and gold - that's sporting colours. Our national colours (flag colours) are red, white and blue, another thing we have in common with you.
There's an hysterical pic from one of the speeches where ScoMo looks like Mr Trump's ventriloquist's doll (we used to have a famous one called Gerry Gee). I'm expecting new nicknames to sprout on Twitter. There are also some shocked pieces from very experienced political journalists on their reactions to experiencing Mr Trump speaking live, in person. I suspect this reaction partly accounts for ScoMo's expression in abovementioned photo.
FWIW, we're not expecting much of this visit. Jenny is a 1950s wife, we never hear from her and only see her when they're overseas or in church. We'll be pleased if nothing goes wrong and no-one's angry. We mostly think ScoMo is avoiding big stuff at home.
joanne said:
I can't access the Times article, but I've seen a couple of others indicating this will be a fancy picnic. Not an inside stately affair, with proper mosquito control etc. Will there be a dance floor?
My understanding is there will be a pole dancer. A very special friend of the President.
Klinker said:
To think people once mocked the Clintons for their taste.
I think the Clintons were being mocked primarily for their sticky fingers when leaving the WH. See: https://www.factcheck.org/2016/05/the-clinton-furniture-flap/
Kind of fits in with HRC's assertion that they left the WH "dead broke" (thereby, allowing HRC/WJC to employ, without qualms, an ends-justify-the-means-sticky-finger-strategy). See: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jun/10/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-says-she-and-bill-were-dead-broke/
Klinker said:
joanne said:
I can't access the Times article, but I've seen a couple of others indicating this will be a fancy picnic. Not an inside stately affair, with proper mosquito control etc. Will there be a dance floor?
My understanding is there will be a pole dancer. A very special friend of the President.
Well that would horrify the very Pentecostal and moral Morrisons. They just wouldn’t know how to behave or where to look. Where’s that very shocked-face emoji??
In other, related news, apparently the US has bought the glib lie that our economy is booming. Hah! Barely. And only by cheating workers of deserved wage growth; the unemployed of two decades’ worth of indexed increases in their benefits (no increases pretty much for 20years); and depriving the new disability support system of around $4.5million...
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/20/world/middleeast/trump-iran-saudi-arabia.html
dave said:
Meanwhile US troops and munitions are on their way to Iran...
mtierney said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/20/world/middleeast/trump-iran-saudi-arabia.html
dave said:
Meanwhile US troops and munitions are on their way to Iran...
Are those “scared” eyes or “what difference does it make?” eyes?
If he wants to bomb somebody, perhaps he should consider bombing Saudi Arabia. If there ever was a state sponsor of terrorism it would be them. 9/11 anyone?
basil said:
If he wants to bomb somebody, perhaps he should consider bombing Saudi Arabia. If there ever was a state sponsor of terrorism it would be them. 9/11 anyone?
An Australian reporter tells us the media has helped Trump by editing his incoherent ramblings into coherence.
As a regular news reader I thought I was across the eccentricities of the US president. Most mornings in Australia begin with news from America – the bid to buy Greenland, adjustments to a weather map hand-drawn with a Sharpie or another self-aggrandising tweet. Our headlines and news bulletins, like headlines and news bulletins everywhere, are full of Trump.
As a political reporter for most of the last 30 years I have also endured many long and rambling political press conferences with Australian prime ministers and world leaders.
But watching a full presidential Trump press conference while visiting the US this week I realised how much the reporting of Trump necessarily edits and parses his words, to force it into sequential paragraphs or impose meaning where it is difficult to detect.
I joined as the president was explaining at length how powerful the concrete was. Very powerful, it turns out. It was unlike any wall ever built, incorporating the most advanced “concrete technology”. It was so exceptional that would-be wall-builders from three unnamed countries had visited to learn from it.
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The wall went very deep and could not be burrowed under. Prototypes had been tested by 20 “world-class mountain climbers – That’s all they do, they love to climb mountains”, who had been unable to scale it.
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In writing about this not-especially-important or unusual press conference I’ve run into what US reporters must encounter every day. I’ve edited skittering, half-finished sentences to present them in some kind of consequential order and repeated remarks that made little sense.
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But watching just one press conference from Otay Mesa helped me understand how the process of reporting about this president can mask and normalise his full and alarming incoherence.
ridski said:
basil said:
If he wants to bomb somebody, perhaps he should consider bombing Saudi Arabia. If there ever was a state sponsor of terrorism it would be them. 9/11 anyone?
That is not an option. Our 2019 Defense budget is $619B for defense spending and $69B for war funding. So we need to bomb or invade somebody. That being the case, why not Saudi Arabia? You got any better options? (by the way, if we attack SA on the cheap we may still have enough money left to go to war with one more country! think of it as a nice extra Christmas bonus)
Re: Middle East, I thought the whole point 12 months ago was that he was bringing the troops home, you’ve been involved in everyone else’s wars for too long and it’s a waste of money and resources, you need them back home. And now he’s threatening not only more troops but nuclear weapons every time he speaks on a new topic?
Does he think this is a comic universe in real life?? Good grief.
BG9, what makes the above article so startling is that the writer is known for supporting conservative politics in most of her articles throughout her very long career. She’s good at her job, but rarely critical of those on the right (conservative) compared with her commentary of those on the left (more progressive, more union-supporting). It’s the article I referred to earlier.
And apparently we’re now going to Mars too, regardless of the mess and debts we have here. I guess that’s what happens when you have a tourism ad man for PM.
ridski said:
mtierney said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/20/world/middleeast/trump-iran-saudi-arabia.html
dave said:
Meanwhile US troops and munitions are on their way to Iran...
Are those “scared” eyes or “what difference does it make?” eyes?
Neither. I looked hard for confirmation of Dave’s statement. Couldn’t see any.
It was widely announced yesterday.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49782693
This is Saudi Arabia’s response.
Morrison and Trump discussed it, and announced it - Trump referred to nuking Iran, Morrison demurred.
Posturing is one thing, stating the action is “on its way” is a whole different thing
So now we are sending troops to defend a country that essentially gave us 9/11. Makes total sense.
joanne said:
Re: Middle East, I thought the whole point 12 months ago was that he was bringing the troops home, you’ve been involved in everyone else’s wars for too long and it’s a waste of money and resources, you need them back home. And now he’s threatening not only more troops but nuclear weapons every time he speaks on a new topic?
Does he think this is a comic universe in real life?? Good grief.
BG9, what makes the above article so startling is that the writer is known for supporting conservative politics in most of her articles throughout her very long career. She’s good at her job, but rarely critical of those on the right (conservative) compared with her commentary of those on the left (more progressive, more union-supporting). It’s the article I referred to earlier.
And apparently we’re now going to Mars too, regardless of the mess and debts we have here. I guess that’s what happens when you have a tourism ad man for PM.
That's one thing with our modern U.S. of A. We're never at peace. War is our constant state.
Don't listen to him on Mars. He's posturing on how "advanced" we are, how we're a can-do nation. We can't even get our very much needed NJ/NY rail tunnel built. Bush pulled the same stunt. Another idiot. Besides, isn't money needed for the wall and cages for the kids?
basil said:
So now we are sending troops to defend a country that essentially gave us 9/11. Makes total sense.
The country that exports Wahhabism by funding Madrassa's of that most extreme form of the Islamic religion throughout the world.
Our troops can't be effective in stopping drones that are on their way. What is hoped the troops will prevent drones from being sent. Because American troops put in the way chances they may be killed. Iran and the Houthi's realize that will change our political climate to allow active aggression against Iran. Its like our troops in Korea. Not enough to stop a real invasion, but enough to prevent one realizing the death of Americans will lead to an all out response. Cannon fodder.
Hey, but when Trump visited the delegation did get a great sword dance and very beautiful presents out of it.
BG9, you probably noted that Scummo pointed out how much experience we have at mining...as if that all Mars/the Moon’s surface will really be good for.
It just breaks yer heart, really. 
I was a part of the minority of Americans who watched the Lewandowski spectacle last week. It was good theatre, but I actually felt sorry for Mr. Nadler...desperation is embarrassing.
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