UK police charge two Russians in Salisbury Novichok poisoning

dave said:
The documentary makes out the entire Orange revolution as nazis taking over the government when it was a much broader group of regular citizens taking back the nation from a fraudulent election rigged by Russia (as called out by the UN).   Would you lump mainstream democrats together with Antifa?   Or mainstream republicans with KKK members?  Then why would you believe a simplistic piece of propaganda trash like this?

 Have you watched the movie?  Because it was Nazis (which come from western Ukraine) taking over as supported by the US through NGOs.  They trained the "regular citizens"  By the way, one of the reasons people condemn approaches like Antifa is because groups like that are often infiltrated by the intelligence community and then commit false flag attacks that make the opposition look bad.


paulsurovell said:


cramer said:
Nan believes it. 
jamie said:
Murray blames Israel:
“Israel has the nerve agents. Israel has Mossad which is extremely skilled at foreign assassinations. Theresa May claimed Russian propensity to assassinate abroad as a specific reason to believe Russia did it. Well Mossad has an even greater propensity to assassinate abroad. And while I am struggling to see a Russian motive for damaging its own international reputation so grieviously, Israel has a clear motivation for damaging the Russian reputation so grieviously. Russian action in Syria has undermined the Israeli position in Syria and Lebanon in a fundamental way, and Israel has every motive for damaging Russia’s international position by an attack aiming to leave the blame on Russia.”
 
 He doesn't blame Israel, he challenges speculation that Russia carried out the attack with alternative speculation that Israel had the means, a greater motive than Russia and a track record of assassinations.

 I said Nan believes it. 

"He knows a lot about what's going on in Israel, so if he has a theory I would not just wave it off. "

cramer said:


paulsurovell said:

cramer said:
Nan believes it. 
jamie said:
Murray blames Israel:
“Israel has the nerve agents. Israel has Mossad which is extremely skilled at foreign assassinations. Theresa May claimed Russian propensity to assassinate abroad as a specific reason to believe Russia did it. Well Mossad has an even greater propensity to assassinate abroad. And while I am struggling to see a Russian motive for damaging its own international reputation so grieviously, Israel has a clear motivation for damaging the Russian reputation so grieviously. Russian action in Syria has undermined the Israeli position in Syria and Lebanon in a fundamental way, and Israel has every motive for damaging Russia’s international position by an attack aiming to leave the blame on Russia.”
 
 He doesn't blame Israel, he challenges speculation that Russia carried out the attack with alternative speculation that Israel had the means, a greater motive than Russia and a track record of assassinations.
 I said Nan believes it. 


"He knows a lot about what's going on in Israel, so if he has a theory I would not just wave it off. "

 I did not say I believe it.  I had not even looked into it--I just think Craig Murray is someone worth listening to.  Stop putting words in my mouth.


Russian spies detained in The Hague were planning cyber break-in at Swiss lab: NRC

European intelligence services, including the Dutch military intelligence and security service MIVD, detained two Russian spies in The Hague earlier this year on suspicion of planning a computer break-in at a Swiss lab, the NRC and the Swiss paper Tages- Anzeiger revealed on Thursday night.

The two men were preparing to travel to the Spiez lab in Switzerland, the papers say. At the time the lab was analysing data related to the poison gas attacks by the Syrian regime as well as the nerve agent attack on Russian double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter in Salisbury last March.

Sources around the investigation told the papers the two, who are thought to work for the Russian intelligence srvice GROe, had equipment in their possession which would allow them to break into the computer system of the laboratory.

The duo are not the men who go by the names of Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov and who have been identified by the British government as Skripal’s attackers and GROe members.

The incident in The Hague was not made public at the time. However, prime minister Mark Rutte said on March 26 in a reaction to the Salisbury attack, that the government had decided to deport ‘two Russian intelligence agents working at the Russian embassy’.

The MIVD refused to comment on suggestions these could be the same men as the alleged spies, the NRC said.

Meanwhile the two would-be hackers have been the subject of a criminal investigation since March in Switzerland, the Bern prosecution office confirmed to the NRC.

The Spiez laboratory, which is the designated lab for the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) seated in The Hague, said it had fended off an earlier attempt at stealing data by hackers. Despite this, a report on the Skripal case found its way into the hands of Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov who said he had got it from a ‘confidential source’, the paper writes.

The OPWC maintains it does not share lab reports from designated labs with member states. 

Given how credulously Nan and Paul accept accusations against the US and its allies, and how vociferously they insist on skepticism of accusations against Russia, I doubt they'll find the above of interest, but for the rest of us I thought it was worthy of note.


cramer said:
Pussy Riot activist rushed to hospital after losing his vision, speech,  and ability to move. Suspected poisoning. 
https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/1039978471391481867

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pussy-riot-activist-russia-pyotr-verzilov-poisoning-a8535456.html

"There is little I can say about the latest apparent poisoning in Russia that I haven’t said before. And before that. And more recently. That Russian enemies of the current regime are often killed, most frequently by poisoning, is now a fact that requires no elaboration. In the past decade and a half, many people have fallen mysteriously ill or have died of multiple-organ failure as a result of poisoning with toxins known or, more often, unknown. Pyotr Verzilov, a thirty-year-old artist and activist who is currently in intensive care in Moscow, appears to be the latest victim of an attack by poison." 

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/a-pussy-riot-activist-is-the-victim-of-the-latest-apparent-poisoning-in-russia

 


"I could list >10 claims that Craig has made sine the attack that have all been disproven. Why should his version of the narrative now be given any credence - it's just scattergun disinformation?" 

https://twitter.com/professor_dave/status/1040550578307379200

"Novichok could not be detected at Porton Down unless they made it (wrong). Mug shots fake/poor quality (no). Snow should be on ground in Salisbury CCTV (it had melted in town). Airport photos faked (identical channels). Mass spec can't detect traces (wrong). And on and on..."

https://twitter.com/professor_dave/status/1040551964256428032


PVW said:
Given how credulously Nan and Paul accept accusations against the US and its allies, and how vociferously they insist on skepticism of accusations against Russia, I doubt they'll find the above of interest, but for the rest of us I thought it was worthy of note.

It is. 


cramer said:
"I could list >10 claims that Craig has made sine the attack that have all been disproven. Why should his version of the narrative now be given any credence - it's just scattergun disinformation?" 
https://twitter.com/professor_dave/status/1040550578307379200

"Novichok could not be detected at Porton Down unless they made it (wrong). Mug shots fake/poor quality (no). Snow should be on ground in Salisbury CCTV (it had melted in town). Airport photos faked (identical channels). Mass spec can't detect traces (wrong). And on and on..."
https://twitter.com/professor_dave/status/1040551964256428032


 Here is what Craig said today.  Let us know what he got wrong:

Lynch Mob Mentality

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/09/lynch-mob-mentality/


nan said:


cramer said:
"I could list >10 claims that Craig has made sine the attack that have all been disproven. Why should his version of the narrative now be given any credence - it's just scattergun disinformation?" 
https://twitter.com/professor_dave/status/1040550578307379200

"Novichok could not be detected at Porton Down unless they made it (wrong). Mug shots fake/poor quality (no). Snow should be on ground in Salisbury CCTV (it had melted in town). Airport photos faked (identical channels). Mass spec can't detect traces (wrong). And on and on..."
https://twitter.com/professor_dave/status/1040551964256428032
 Here is what Craig said today.  Let us know what he got wrong:
Lynch Mob Mentality

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/09/lynch-mob-mentality/

"Despite the mocking mob, there is nothing inherently improbable in the tale told by the two men. What matters is whether they can be connected to the novichok, and here the safety of the identification of the microscopic traces of novichok allegedly found in their hotel bedroom is key. I am no scientist, but I have been told by someone who is, that if the particle(s) were as the police state so small as to be harmless to humans, they would be too small for mass spectrometry analysis and almost certainly could not be firmly identified other than as an organophosphate. Perhaps someone qualified might care to comment."

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/09/lynch-mob-mentality/


"Whoever told you this is totally wrong. Mass spectrometry is outstanding for detection of trace amounts (down to sub ppb levels) - far less than would kill you. It tells you the mass of the compound, not the 'type', so it would identify the specific organophosphate used."

https://twitter.com/professor_dave/status/1040548964473417728 


"Once again, this is sadly another example of the evidence, and the way it has been interpreted, getting twisted to make it fit your narrative."

https://twitter.com/professor_dave/status/1040549221949161472


eta - Carry on Nan. Murray is a crank. 


 


PVW said:

Russian spies detained in The Hague were planning cyber break-in at Swiss lab: NRC


European intelligence services, including the Dutch military intelligence and security service MIVD, detained two Russian spies in The Hague earlier this year on suspicion of planning a computer break-in at a Swiss lab, the NRC and the Swiss paper Tages- Anzeiger revealed on Thursday night.

The two men were preparing to travel to the Spiez lab in Switzerland, the papers say. At the time the lab was analysing data related to the poison gas attacks by the Syrian regime as well as the nerve agent attack on Russian double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter in Salisbury last March.

Sources around the investigation told the papers the two, who are thought to work for the Russian intelligence srvice GROe, had equipment in their possession which would allow them to break into the computer system of the laboratory.

The duo are not the men who go by the names of Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov and who have been identified by the British government as Skripal’s attackers and GROe members.

The incident in The Hague was not made public at the time. However, prime minister Mark Rutte said on March 26 in a reaction to the Salisbury attack, that the government had decided to deport ‘two Russian intelligence agents working at the Russian embassy’.

The MIVD refused to comment on suggestions these could be the same men as the alleged spies, the NRC said.

Meanwhile the two would-be hackers have been the subject of a criminal investigation since March in Switzerland, the Bern prosecution office confirmed to the NRC.

The Spiez laboratory, which is the designated lab for the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) seated in The Hague, said it had fended off an earlier attempt at stealing data by hackers. Despite this, a report on the Skripal case found its way into the hands of Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov who said he had got it from a ‘confidential source’, the paper writes.

The OPWC maintains it does not share lab reports from designated labs with member states. 

"In April Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, claimed in public he had received confidential information from the Spiez laboratory that the nerve agent used to poison the Skripals in Britain could be a substance never produced in the Soviet Union or Russia.

He said the documents pointed at a western-designed nerve agent, the so-called BZ substance, as a likely cause of the poisoning, thus excluding Russia’s involvement in the attack. He did not disclose the source of his confidential information but said: “We are asking the OPCW why the information which reflected the conclusions of specialists from the Spiez laboratory was completely omitted from the final document.”

His allegations were later rejected since the BZ substance was only being used in the lab as a counter-sample to novichok."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/14/dutch-expelled-russians-over-alleged-novichok-laboratory-hacking-plot

 


nan said:


cramer said:
"I could list >10 claims that Craig has made sine the attack that have all been disproven. Why should his version of the narrative now be given any credence - it's just scattergun disinformation?" 
https://twitter.com/professor_dave/status/1040550578307379200

"Novichok could not be detected at Porton Down unless they made it (wrong). Mug shots fake/poor quality (no). Snow should be on ground in Salisbury CCTV (it had melted in town). Airport photos faked (identical channels). Mass spec can't detect traces (wrong). And on and on..."
https://twitter.com/professor_dave/status/1040551964256428032
 Here is what Craig said today.  Let us know what he got wrong:
Lynch Mob Mentality

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/09/lynch-mob-mentality/

 That last Murray post reeks of self glorification and self pity.   People who merely disagree with you, even sarcastically, are not members of a howling mob (especially when they've already debunked a number of your points).   


paulsurovell said:


jamie said:
Do you and Paul have more faith in him over CCTV images and British intelligence?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/13/spy-poisoning-suspects-interview-an-insult-to-publics-intelligence
Are you honestly buying their story?  Vacation?  Seriously?  
 What do the CCTV images show?
And what evidence has British intelligence produced?

 Can you at least agree - based on their reasoning for going to Salisbury - the poor weather - limited time in Salibury - why on earth would they walk to the residential area where the Skripals live - immediately after leaving the train?  Are they just dumb?


jamie said:


paulsurovell said:

jamie said:
Do you and Paul have more faith in him over CCTV images and British intelligence?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/13/spy-poisoning-suspects-interview-an-insult-to-publics-intelligence
Are you honestly buying their story?  Vacation?  Seriously?  
 What do the CCTV images show?
And what evidence has British intelligence produced?
 Can you at least agree - based on their reasoning for going to Salisbury - the poor weather - limited time in Salibury - why on earth would they walk to the residential area where the Skripals live - immediately after leaving the train?  Are they just dumb?

 The map indicates where they were caught on a CCTV camera -- on a main avenue that was cleared of snow --  but there is no evidence that they walked toward Skripal's street.  That flag is just there for reference.


bub said:


nan said:

cramer said:
"I could list >10 claims that Craig has made sine the attack that have all been disproven. Why should his version of the narrative now be given any credence - it's just scattergun disinformation?" 
https://twitter.com/professor_dave/status/1040550578307379200

"Novichok could not be detected at Porton Down unless they made it (wrong). Mug shots fake/poor quality (no). Snow should be on ground in Salisbury CCTV (it had melted in town). Airport photos faked (identical channels). Mass spec can't detect traces (wrong). And on and on..."
https://twitter.com/professor_dave/status/1040551964256428032
 Here is what Craig said today.  Let us know what he got wrong:
Lynch Mob Mentality

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/09/lynch-mob-mentality/
 That last Murray post reeks of self glorification and self pity.   People who merely disagree with you, even sarcastically, are not members of a howling mob (especially when they've already debunked a number of your points).   
 

I'll stipulate to that for argument's sake. Do you take issue with any of Craig's substantive arguments? Like these, for instance:


So I ask this question again – and nobody so far has attempted to give me an answer. At what time did the Skripals touch their doorknob? Boshirov and Petrov arrived in Salisbury at 11.48 and could not have painted the doorknob before noon. The Skripals had left their house at 09.15, with their mobile phones switched off so they could not be geo-located. Their car was caught on CCTV on three cameras heading out of Salisbury to the North East. At 13.15 it was again caught on camera heading back in to the town centre from the North West.
How had the Skripals managed to get back to their home, and touch the door handle, in the hour between noon and 1pm, without being caught on any of the CCTV cameras that caught them going out and caught the Russian visitors so extensively? After this remarkably invisible journey, what time did they touch the door handle?
I am not going to begin to accept the guilt of Boshirov and Petrov until somebody answers that question. Dan Hodges? David Aaronovitch? Theresa May? Anybody?

They walked towards a residential neighborhood right after getting off the train - Why on earth would they do that?

They were there for the Cathedral - the spire - the clock.   The found traces of the poison in their hotel room.

Traces of the poison were found in the hotel where the stayed

The Metropolitan Police confirmed today traces of Novichok were found in the two-star hotel after being tested at Porton Down in May - but reassured there was no threat to public health.

Are you saying this was planted?


PVW said:
Given how credulously Nan and Paul accept accusations against the US and its allies, and how vociferously they insist on skepticism of accusations against Russia, I doubt they'll find the above of interest, but for the rest of us I thought it was worthy of note.

Given how credulously PVW, Cramer, nohero, et al accept accusations against Russia and how vociferously they insist on skepticism of accusations against the UK, I doubt they'll find dissenting views of interest, but for the rest of us I thought it was worthy of note.


jamie said:
They walked towards a residential neighborhood right after getting off the train - Why on earth would they do that?
They were there for the Cathedral - the spire - the clock.   The found traces of the poison in their hotel room.
Traces of the poison were found in the hotel where the stayed


The Metropolitan Police confirmed today traces of Novichok were found in the two-star hotel after being tested at Porton Down in May - but reassured there was no threat to public health.
Are you saying this was planted?

Found a deadly nerve agent in a hotel four months later and no one who stayed there over the last four months is at risk?


paulsurovell said:


jamie said:
They walked towards a residential neighborhood right after getting off the train - Why on earth would they do that?
They were there for the Cathedral - the spire - the clock.   The found traces of the poison in their hotel room.
Traces of the poison were found in the hotel where the stayed

The Metropolitan Police confirmed today traces of Novichok were found in the two-star hotel after being tested at Porton Down in May - but reassured there was no threat to public health.
Are you saying this was planted?
Found a deadly nerve agent in a hotel four months later and no one who stayed there over the last four months is at risk?

 Apparently so.  Can you provide a report on the health risks of trace amounts of Novichok?


jamie said:


paulsurovell said:

jamie said:
They walked towards a residential neighborhood right after getting off the train - Why on earth would they do that?
They were there for the Cathedral - the spire - the clock.   The found traces of the poison in their hotel room.
Traces of the poison were found in the hotel where the stayed

The Metropolitan Police confirmed today traces of Novichok were found in the two-star hotel after being tested at Porton Down in May - but reassured there was no threat to public health.
Are you saying this was planted?
Found a deadly nerve agent in a hotel four months later and no one who stayed there over the last four months is at risk?
 Apparently so.  Can you provide a report on the health risks of trace amounts of Novichok?

 It had better be on my desk by 9am Monday, or there'll be hell to pay!


The level of credulousness depends on background facts, Paul.  Putin's perceived enemies have been killed at an alarming rate over the years.  I read on an Amnesty Int'l site that 56 - 56! - Russian journalist have been assassinated since the 1990s.  There have been a number of Russian ex pat critics of Putin who have been assassinated or died under mysterious circumstances in Britain alone.   There's nothing hysterical about sizing up the scene and saying, from day 1, Russia is our first suspect.  The discovery of these two guys wandering around the town only ups the ante.  


jamie said:


paulsurovell said:

jamie said:
They walked towards a residential neighborhood right after getting off the train - Why on earth would they do that?
They were there for the Cathedral - the spire - the clock.   The found traces of the poison in their hotel room.
Traces of the poison were found in the hotel where the stayed

The Metropolitan Police confirmed today traces of Novichok were found in the two-star hotel after being tested at Porton Down in May - but reassured there was no threat to public health.
Are you saying this was planted?
Found a deadly nerve agent in a hotel four months later and no one who stayed there over the last four months is at risk?
 Apparently so.  Can you provide a report on the health risks of trace amounts of Novichok?

 Let's start with this: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/novichok-agent


paulsurovell said:


jamie said:
They walked towards a residential neighborhood right after getting off the train - Why on earth would they do that?
They were there for the Cathedral - the spire - the clock.   The found traces of the poison in their hotel room.
Traces of the poison were found in the hotel where the stayed

The Metropolitan Police confirmed today traces of Novichok were found in the two-star hotel after being tested at Porton Down in May - but reassured there was no threat to public health.
Are you saying this was planted?
Found a deadly nerve agent in a hotel four months later and no one who stayed there over the last four months is at risk?

What Mr. Surovell means is, yes he is saying it was planted.

(Now I'm going to get a "You can't put words in my mouth" response.)




 
@paulsurovell
More Paul Surovell Retweeted BBC Breaking News
Good news for Yulia, bad news for Russian-nerve-agent story.Paul Surovell added,
BBC Breaking News
Verified account
 
@BBCBreaking
Yulia Skripal, daughter of ex-Russian spy, "improving rapidly" and no longer in critical condition, four weeks after Salisbury poisoning

http://bbc.in/2J10q4O 
10:58 AM - 29 Mar 2018

https://twitter.com/paulsurovell/status/979417540022751232

 


paulsurovell said:


jamie said:

paulsurovell said:

jamie said:
They walked towards a residential neighborhood right after getting off the train - Why on earth would they do that?
They were there for the Cathedral - the spire - the clock.   The found traces of the poison in their hotel room.
Traces of the poison were found in the hotel where the stayed

The Metropolitan Police confirmed today traces of Novichok were found in the two-star hotel after being tested at Porton Down in May - but reassured there was no threat to public health.
Are you saying this was planted?
Found a deadly nerve agent in a hotel four months later and no one who stayed there over the last four months is at risk?
 Apparently so.  Can you provide a report on the health risks of trace amounts of Novichok?
 Let's start with this: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/novichok-agent

And where does it mention trace amounts?  Or what is the deadly dosage?  I can't read this whole thing - I assume you're better informed. 


These guys do like to travel. Look who they ran into!


cramer said:


nan said:


cramer said:
"I could list >10 claims that Craig has made sine the attack that have all been disproven. Why should his version of the narrative now be given any credence - it's just scattergun disinformation?" 
https://twitter.com/professor_dave/status/1040550578307379200

"Novichok could not be detected at Porton Down unless they made it (wrong). Mug shots fake/poor quality (no). Snow should be on ground in Salisbury CCTV (it had melted in town). Airport photos faked (identical channels). Mass spec can't detect traces (wrong). And on and on..."
https://twitter.com/professor_dave/status/1040551964256428032
 Here is what Craig said today.  Let us know what he got wrong:
Lynch Mob Mentality

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/09/lynch-mob-mentality/
"Despite the mocking mob, there is nothing inherently improbable in the tale told by the two men. What matters is whether they can be connected to the novichok, and here the safety of the identification of the microscopic traces of novichok allegedly found in their hotel bedroom is key. I am no scientist, but I have been told by someone who is, that if the particle(s) were as the police state so small as to be harmless to humans, they would be too small for mass spectrometry analysis and almost certainly could not be firmly identified other than as an organophosphate. Perhaps someone qualified might care to comment."
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/09/lynch-mob-mentality/



"Whoever told you this is totally wrong. Mass spectrometry is outstanding for detection of trace amounts (down to sub ppb levels) - far less than would kill you. It tells you the mass of the compound, not the 'type', so it would identify the specific organophosphate used."
https://twitter.com/professor_dave/status/1040548964473417728 



"Once again, this is sadly another example of the evidence, and the way it has been interpreted, getting twisted to make it fit your narrative."
https://twitter.com/professor_dave/status/1040549221949161472



eta - Carry on Nan. Murray is a crank. 


 

 Did you even read this?   The guy misquotes Murray and when called on it does not respond.  He has a different view on poison detection than Murray.  How do you know his is the correct one?  Also, Murray said he is not a scientist and that is what someone told him.  He is no representing himself as the big expert (which the Dave Smith guy is doing).  He is just asking questions. The other guy is not answering the other questions about time and sequence of events. Those are important questions.


nan said:


cramer said:

nan said:


cramer said:
"I could list >10 claims that Craig has made sine the attack that have all been disproven. Why should his version of the narrative now be given any credence - it's just scattergun disinformation?" 
https://twitter.com/professor_dave/status/1040550578307379200

"Novichok could not be detected at Porton Down unless they made it (wrong). Mug shots fake/poor quality (no). Snow should be on ground in Salisbury CCTV (it had melted in town). Airport photos faked (identical channels). Mass spec can't detect traces (wrong). And on and on..."
https://twitter.com/professor_dave/status/1040551964256428032
 Here is what Craig said today.  Let us know what he got wrong:
Lynch Mob Mentality

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/09/lynch-mob-mentality/
"Despite the mocking mob, there is nothing inherently improbable in the tale told by the two men. What matters is whether they can be connected to the novichok, and here the safety of the identification of the microscopic traces of novichok allegedly found in their hotel bedroom is key. I am no scientist, but I have been told by someone who is, that if the particle(s) were as the police state so small as to be harmless to humans, they would be too small for mass spectrometry analysis and almost certainly could not be firmly identified other than as an organophosphate. Perhaps someone qualified might care to comment."
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/09/lynch-mob-mentality/



"Whoever told you this is totally wrong. Mass spectrometry is outstanding for detection of trace amounts (down to sub ppb levels) - far less than would kill you. It tells you the mass of the compound, not the 'type', so it would identify the specific organophosphate used."
https://twitter.com/professor_dave/status/1040548964473417728 



"Once again, this is sadly another example of the evidence, and the way it has been interpreted, getting twisted to make it fit your narrative."
https://twitter.com/professor_dave/status/1040549221949161472



eta - Carry on Nan. Murray is a crank. 


 
 Did you even read this?   The guy misquotes Murray and when called on it does not respond.  He has a different view on poison detection than Murray.  How do you know his is the correct one?  Also, Murray said he is not a scientist and that is what someone told him.  He is no representing himself as the big expert (which the Dave Smith guy is doing).  He is just asking questions. The other guy is not answering the other questions about time and sequence of events. Those are important questions.

 He's presenting himself as the big expert because he teaches Supramolecular and Nanoscale Chemistry at York University.

https://www.york.ac.uk/chemistry/staff/academic/o-s/dsmith/


ridski said:



 He's presenting himself as the big expert because he teaches Supramolecular and Nanoscale Chemistry at York University.
https://www.york.ac.uk/chemistry/staff/academic/o-s/dsmith/

 That gives him some credibility, but we don't know who Murray talked to and there is more to the story.  Also does not answer the time questions.  I heard there are some changes there through --so this is still an ongoing investigation.  We don't know what happened yet and we should be just asking questions and waiting for the evidence.  


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