UK police charge two Russians in Salisbury Novichok poisoning

paulsurovell said:


nohero said:



paulsurovell said:

jamie said:
They walked towards a residential neighborhood right after getting off the train - Why on earth would they do that?
They were there for the Cathedral - the spire - the clock.   The found traces of the poison in their hotel room.
Traces of the poison were found in the hotel where the stayed

The Metropolitan Police confirmed today traces of Novichok were found in the two-star hotel after being tested at Porton Down in May - but reassured there was no threat to public health.
Are you saying this was planted?
Found a deadly nerve agent in a hotel four months later and no one who stayed there over the last four months is at risk?
What Mr. Surovell means is, yes he is saying it was planted.
(Now I'm going to get a "You can't put words in my mouth" response.)
Of course the British police would never do that, especially when the reputation of the government is on the line.

[Irrelevant article previously included to support sarcastic statement intended to refute Nohero removed from this quote of Mr. Surovell's post.]

Edited to Add
: As others have noted, I mis-read this article. The manipulation was carried out by the forensic firm employed by the police, not by the police themselves. No police involvement in the tampering has been reported thus far.

 So Mr. Surovell must still be going with the "British police planted the evidence to frame the two innocent, ordinary tourists."


dave23 said:
Fake Weather.

 he could acutally type this and they would agree! 



Tragedy? Farce? Confusion? The Method Behind That Russian Poisoning Interview

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/18/world/europe/skripal-poisoning-russia.html

The overriding message from the RT interview, as with all of Russia’s responses to foreign accusations against the country, was that blameless Russians have again fallen victim to Western lies and prejudice. In a near-permanent state of high-dudgeon over Western accusations of misbehavior, Russia invariably responds to criticism by condemning the critic.

(Sounds familiar)


Related reading on the topic of this pattern of Russian dissidents being poisoned:

Poison in the System (buzzfeed investigative series)

We Now Know More About the Apparent Poisoning of the Pussy Riot Member Pyotr Verzilov (New Yorker)

I've only just started reading both articles myself, but they look interesting.



This is interesting.  

A group of investigative journalists and researchers on Monday identified a military doctor employed by a Russian intelligence agency as one of two men suspected by the British authorities of trying to kill a former Russian spy with a potent nerve agent in Britain earlier this year.

The group, which named the other suspect in the poisoning about two weeks ago, identified the doctor as Alexander Yevgenyevich Mishkin. It said he was a graduate of an elite military medical academy who was recruited by a military intelligence agency widely known as the G.R.U.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/08/world/europe/skripal-russia-alexander-mishkin.html?action=click&module=In%20Other%20News&pgtype=Homepage&action=click&module=Latest&pgtype=Homepage


"Bellingcat said it used a combination of online material and leaked documents to identify Alexander Mishkin, 39, as someone linked to the attack in March.

It said President Vladimir Putin had presented him with the Hero of the Russian Federation award in 2014."

......

"At a news conference in the Houses of Parliament on Tuesday, Bellingcat investigator Cristo Grozev said Mr Mishkin - like Mr Chepiga - was a member of the GRU and given the celebrated award for "actions in Ukraine".

He said Mr Mishkin's grandmother has a photograph, that has "been seen by everybody in the village" of President Putin shaking his hand and giving him the award.

The BBC has contacted two people who knew Mr Mishkin as a child in Loyga in the north of Russia, and they confirmed from photographs that he was the man seen in images released by police after the Salisbury attack in March."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-45801154



cramer said:

"Bellingcat said it used a combination of online material and leaked documents to identify Alexander Mishkin, 39, as someone linked to the attack in March.
It said President Vladimir Putin had presented him with the Hero of the Russian Federation award in 2014."


 It's sad that a guy gets a big honor like that in 2014, and then nobody in Russia from Putin on down remembers him when he shows up on TV using an assumed name. 


The extent of the British fabrication is rather impressive.


nohero said:


cramer said:

"Bellingcat said it used a combination of online material and leaked documents to identify Alexander Mishkin, 39, as someone linked to the attack in March.
It said President Vladimir Putin had presented him with the Hero of the Russian Federation award in 2014."


 It's sad that a guy gets a big honor like that in 2014, and then nobody in Russia from Putin on down remembers him when he shows up on TV using an assumed name. 

 It's difficult to know who to believe in this case, but Bellingcat looks extra suspicious:

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/10/bellingcats-very-obviously-fake-chepiga-photo/



nan said:


 It's difficult to know who to believe in this case, but Bellingcat looks extra suspicious:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/10/bellingcats-very-obviously-fake-chepiga-photo/


Bellingcat - Media Bias/Fact Check  

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/bellingcat/


cramer said:


nan said:

 It's difficult to know who to believe in this case, but Bellingcat looks extra suspicious:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/10/bellingcats-very-obviously-fake-chepiga-photo/
Bellingcat - Media Bias/Fact Check  
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/bellingcat/

 The base this on the words they use, not the actual evidence presented.  Think we need a fact checker for the fact checkers.


nan said:


 They base this on the words they use...  

 Funny how that works.  Personally, I prefer mind-reading, but when that fails, I look at the words they use.


tjohn said:


nan said:

 They base this on the words they use...  
 Funny how that works.  Personally, I prefer mind-reading, but when that fails, I look at the words they use.

 Maybe that is your problem.  Not enough to read the words.  You have to understand what they say and be able to read between the lines too.


nan said:


cramer said:

nan said:

 It's difficult to know who to believe in this case, but Bellingcat looks extra suspicious:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/10/bellingcats-very-obviously-fake-chepiga-photo/
Bellingcat - Media Bias/Fact Check  
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/bellingcat/
 The base this on the words they use, not the actual evidence presented.  Think we need a fact checker for the fact checkers.

Murray's blogpost which you linked was in reference to the first GRU officer identified by Bellingcat. Here is Bellingcat's report:  

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2018/09/26/skripal-suspect-boshirov-identified-gru-colonel-anatoliy-chepiga/ 

The second GRU officer was identified by Bellingcat yesterday - here is Bellingcat's report: 

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2018/10/09/full-report-skripal-poisoning-suspect-dr-alexander-mishkin-hero-russia/





nan said:


tjohn said:

nan said:

 They base this on the words they use...  
 Funny how that works.  Personally, I prefer mind-reading, but when that fails, I look at the words they use.
 Maybe that is your problem.  Not enough to read the words.  You have to understand what they say and be able to read between the lines too.

The words are enough.  No need to make things up.


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