The New York Times - They're even more evil now

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From the above. Instead of being a "flaw" (saying there's "few specifics") it's a "feature" (the primary purpose is to find the best solution).


Am I the only MOLer who voted for JFK? Just curious.


PVW said:

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I love how the style at the time was to write out all the zeros in a billion.


mtierney said:

Am I the only MOLer who voted for JFK? Just curious.

what do you think?  The voting age in 1960 was 21.  A person who turned 21 in November of that year would now be 82 years old.


ml1 said:

I love how the style at the time was to write out all the zeros in a billion.

It was an impressive number back then.


mtierney said:

Am I the only MOLer who voted for JFK? Just curious.

no…and that was the only democrat you ever voted for.


There was, of course, a pretty significant realignment in American politics between 1960 and the end of that decade...


mtierney said:

Am I the only MOLer who voted for JFK? Just curious.

PVW said:

There was, of course, a pretty significant realignment in American politics between 1960 and the end of that decade...

That, and also if you were a Catholic you had to go to Confession if you didn't vote for JFK in 1960.


nohero said:

That, and also if you were a Catholic you had to go to Confession if you didn't vote for JFK in 1960.


You may  be trying to be funny — a rare effort for you — and all  you accomplish is to  perpetuate a myth. Go back to being put out all the time. It suits you.


mtierney said:

Am I the only MOLer who voted for JFK? Just curious.

Perhaps, but you're definitely the only one on MOL who would vote for JFK, Jr.


ridski said:

Perhaps, but you're definitely the only one on MOL who would vote for JFK, Jr.

smile


mtierney said:

Am I the only MOLer who voted for JFK? Just curious.

I voted for Richard E. Nixon.


Smedley said:

I voted for Richard E. Nixon.

What did he ever run for?


mtierney said:

nohero said:

That, and also if you were a Catholic you had to go to Confession if you didn't vote for JFK in 1960.


You may  be trying to be funny — a rare effort for you — and all  you accomplish is to  perpetuate a myth. Go back to being put out all the time. It suits you.


PeterWick said:

Smedley said:

I voted for Richard E. Nixon.

What did he ever run for?

Archie Bunker : I got news for you, little girl: being a president is much better than being a king

Michael 'Meathead' Stivic : Yeah; you can probably make more money that way.

Archie Bunker : Get out of here, huh! Richard E. Nixon ain't interested in getting rich.

Gloria Bunker-Stivic : He's not interested in getting rich? Why not?

Archie Bunker : Because he's got plenty of money.

Edith Bunker : [quoting the Bible] It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter heaven.


I just never saw him in public office so I can't recall. I do recall All In The Family though.

Were you referring to Richard M. Nixon?


PeterWick said:

I just never saw him in public office so I can't recall. I do recall All In The Family though.

Were you referring to Richard M. Nixon?

Alfred E Neuman


The Archie Bunker character would always refer to Nixon as "Richard E. Nixon", instead of Richard M. Nixon.

I blame myself for triggering Smedley's "All In The Family" nostalgia, from this response earlier in the thread.

Smedley said:

nohero said:

Back in the 1961 there was another "moonshot" announcement made with great fanfare, but the press didn't complain that there were "few specifics" about how it would be accomplished.

Boy the way Glenn Miller played…


Yes I'm on a bit of a AitF kick, as I received this book as a gift recently and I'm quite enjoying it.

Available at Words.


nohero said:

The Archie Bunker character would always refer to Nixon as "Richard E. Nixon", instead of Richard M. Nixon.

Smedley said:

nohero said:

Back in the 1961 there was another "moonshot" announcement made with great fanfare, but the press didn't complain that there were "few specifics" about how it would be accomplished.

Boy the way Glenn Miller played…

Ahhh, I didn't recall that reference. I was a little young when I watched that show. I suppose it was like Sesame Street in that a lot of the references and jokes were for one audience vs another. Watching old Sesame Street shows as an adult was a habit of mine and it would crack me up.

Now I use lots of jokes from that show and only some people get them. 

A la peanut butter sandwiches

You gotta put down the duckie (if ya wanna play the saxophone)

etc.


Smedley said:

Yes I'm on a bit of a AitF kick, as I received this book as a gift recently and I'm quite enjoying it.

Available at Words.

I preferred the original.


If we are going to discuss that particular TV show to me it had a negative effect. 

It made a bigot into a sympathetic character. And it put racist insults on to TV 


STANV said:

If we are going to discuss that particular TV show to me it had a negative effect. 

It made a bigot into a sympathetic character. And it put racist insults on to TV 

To be clear, are we talking about All In The Family or The Apprentice?


STANV said:

It made a bigot into a sympathetic character

I felt that All in the Family got me to understand Archie, which is different.


My exhaustive google research indicates that the critical consensus was that he was a sympathetic character.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=archie+bunker+sympathetic

Which makes sense given the show's popularity. If he was an unrepentant a-h, I doubt the show would have been as popular, at least in the pre-Trump universe. Today, who knows?


drummerboy said:

My exhaustive google research indicates that the critical consensus was that he was a sympathetic character.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=archie+bunker+sympathetic

Which makes sense given the show's popularity. If he was an unrepentant a-h, I doubt the show would have been as popular, at least in the pre-Trump universe. Today, who knows?

Writer Johnny Speight often commented that the character was supposed to be a figure of ridicule, but admitted that not all viewers saw the satiric elements of the character.[4][5] Speight defended the Alf Garnett character, saying: "If you do the character correctly, he just typifies what you hear - not only in pubs but in golf clubs around the country. To make him truthful he's got to say those things, and they are nasty things. But I feel as a writer that they should be out in the open so we can see how daft these comparisons are."[6]

Mitchell left the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art with a trained actor's voice. A lifelong, committed socialist, he sold socialist newspapers on street corners, shouting his wares in his beautifully trained voice. It was only when he realised why people weren't buying his newspapers that he developed Alf's voice, to appear more "working class". Mitchell stated that he became tired of always being associated with Alf Garnett, but enjoyed playing the part and appreciated the debt he owed to the character.[6]

In the late 1980s, the Museum of the Moving Image in London staged an Alf Garnett exhibition where visitors pressed buttons representing particular social problems and were presented with Alf giving his opinions on the subject.[5]

The American version of Till Death Do Us Part, All in the Family, featured Archie Bunker as Garnett's analog. Like Garnett in British popular culture, Bunker became an icon in American popular culture for his very conservative views, although the Bunker character was portrayed as somewhat more likable than Garnett ever was. Bunker, in turn, served as an inspiration for Eric Cartman of South Park.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alf_Garnett


drummerboy said:

My exhaustive google research indicates that the critical consensus was that he was a sympathetic character.

Apparently I have some SEO work to do on my distinction between understanding and sympathy.


If I ever meet Peter Baker, someone will have to hold me back.


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