Murphy vs. Ciattarelli: Surprising election results, or not?

This past week I drove through a part of Kenilworth, New Jersey and saw the lawn sign attached.  

Is the blue wave now a blue ripple in an unsteady glass of water? 

This sign was surprising to me.  First time I've seen this in New Jersey.


Aren't most of the residents of Kennelworth dogs who don't pay any taxes?


LaSalePute said:

This past week I drove through a part of Kenilworth, New Jersey and saw the lawn sign attached.  

Is the blue wave now a blue ripple in an unsteady glass of water? 

This sign was surprising to me.  First time I've seen this in New Jersey.

 I’m sure taxes are lower in kenilworth… cause you would have to go to cranford for an evening stroll through the park…


LaSalePute said:

This sign was surprising to me.  First time I've seen this in New Jersey.

Welcome. How many days ago did you move to NJ? 


LaSalePute said:

Forgive my ignorance but does your user name really translate as "The Salty Whore"?


somebody doesn't know much about Kenilworth it seems.


Klinker said:

Forgive my ignorance but does your user name really translate as "The Salty Whore"?

 Technically it does, but i believe the actual wording is closer to "filthy" than "salty."


ml1 said:

somebody doesn't know much about Kenilworth it seems.

 Apparently not.  Please explain.


Kenilworth is right next to Roselle Park, where the charming lady with the "F*ck Biden" signs in front of her house resides. The sign at the top of this thread is mild compared to that.


ridski said:

Klinker said:

Forgive my ignorance but does your user name really translate as "The Salty Whore"?

 Technically it does, but i believe the actual wording is closer to "filthy" than "salty."

 Perhaps a relative of a previous poster with a tasteless translation (who moved away): "Vacanculo"?


Klinker said:

ml1 said:

somebody doesn't know much about Kenilworth it seems.

 Apparently not.  Please explain.

Kenilworth is historically one of Union County's more conservative towns, along with the aforementioned Roselle Park, Clark, and Garwood, along with sections of Linden and Rahway.  Historically white and working class.


ml1 said:

Kenilworth is historically one of Union County's more conservative towns, along with the aforementioned Roselle Park, Clark, and Garwood, along with sections of Linden and Rahway.  Historically white and working class.

 Is the main industry filthy whoring?  It seems you would want to be closer to lower Manhattan if you worked for a hedge fund.


interesting graphic. we're surrounded by the enemy.


drummerboy said:

interesting graphic. we're surrounded by the enemy.

As the saying goes with maps like that, land doesn't vote.  In fact, the redder areas have less population relative to the bluer areas


yeah, I know.

we're still surrounded though.


drummerboy said:

yeah, I know.

we're still surrounded though.

I knew that, and you know that. I was in Tom’s River and it oozes from the houses, just go west past Livingston and it’s there. The flag is their signature now…


It's only of interest in how it correlates with COVID-19 rates. 


I'd be interested to see the New York map as well.

I felt the pendulum was swinging to the right for some time.

My family in Long Island leans pretty conservative. And yet they love me. Go figure.


Morganna said:


I felt the pendulum was swinging to the right for some time.


The President, Senate and House are Democratic. Some of that can change next year and maybe three years from now. 

Why are so many "On The Left" so defeatist?


STANV said:

The President, Senate and House are Democratic. Some of that can change next year and maybe three years from now. 

Why are so many "On The Left" so defeatist?

because 40% of the country's people have had their minds destroyed by misinformation. And because of the quirks of our Constitution that allow for minority rule. 

And then there is the rise of fascism and the very real possibility that if the Republicans control all the branches of government after '24, that out deomcratic process will effectively be ended, and we'll be living in a white supremacist, Christian autocracy. 

The levers are being put in place for GOP apparatchiks to overturn elections in several states. This isn't being alarmist. This is what's really going on. 

There are a host of very good reasons to be worried. Maybe not defeatist. But very concerned. 


ml1 said:

STANV said:

The President, Senate and House are Democratic. Some of that can change next year and maybe three years from now. 

Why are so many "On The Left" so defeatist?

because 40% of the country's people have had their minds destroyed by misinformation. And because of the quirks of our Constitution that allow for minority rule. 

And then there is the rise of fascism and the very real possibility that if the Republicans control all the branches of government after '24, that out deomcratic process will effectively be ended, and we'll be living in a white supremacist, Christian autocracy. 

The levers are being put in place for GOP apparatchiks to overturn elections in several states. This isn't being alarmist. This is what's really going on. 

There are a host of very good reasons to be worried. Maybe not defeatist. But very concerned. 

and add to that that very few of the Dems in power in Washington seem to understand the electoral threat we are facing.


STANV said:

The President, Senate and House are Democratic. Some of that can change next year and maybe three years from now. 

Why are so many "On The Left" so defeatist?

I had a passionate conversation with my friend tonight, I was full of conviction that we will win in the end. So, no, not defeatist but I'm usually focused on SCOTUS and my conversations with many people, particularly women, over the past few years revealed a less than concerned attitude about the fate of Roe. Even on social media, I noticed a reluctance to discuss the topic. So I started to ponder the possibility that there was a shift in attitude on the subject. And here we are with a conservative court and we are witnessing the result.

So the ever-changing balance of power in the House, Senate and Oval Office appears dwarfed by the power wielded by the 9 and they are sitting comfortably while the other branches do their circle dance.

Not defeated but observant.


Morganna said:

STANV said:

The President, Senate and House are Democratic. Some of that can change next year and maybe three years from now. 

Why are so many "On The Left" so defeatist?

I had a passionate conversation with my friend tonight, I was full of conviction that we will win in the end. So, no, not defeatist but I'm usually focused on SCOTUS and my conversations with many people, particularly women, over the past few years revealed a less than concerned attitude about the fate of Roe. Even on social media, I noticed a reluctance to discuss the topic. So I started to ponder the possibility that there was a shift in attitude on the subject. And here we are with a conservative court and we are witnessing the result.

So the ever-changing balance of power in the House, Senate and Oval Office appears dwarfed by the power wielded by the 9 and they are sitting comfortably while the other branches do their circle dance.

Not defeated but observant.

Yeah, that's been the point of the Republican court packers, which was obvious once they started the whole "judicial activism" and "legislating from the bench" tropes decades ago. They were projecting, as usual.

SOCTUS is what makes me so despondent these days. They're just getting started on flexing their muscles. Without a revamping of the whole SCOTUS structure we'll never get a handle on them. (I'm not talking adding a few justices. SCOTUS needs to have 30 or more justices, and panels to hear specific cases need to be drawn at random. It's amazing, just amazing, that we have such an anachronistic court as our highest, and with basically unlimited power to rule and so easily manipulated by a turtle from KY.)

Now I'm depressed...


drummerboy said:

Yeah, that's been the point of the Republican court packers, which was obvious once they started the whole "judicial activism" and "legislating from the bench" tropes decades ago. They were projecting, as usual.

SOCTUS is what makes me so despondent these days. They're just getting started on flexing their muscles. Without a revamping of the whole SCOTUS structure we'll never get a handle on them. (I'm not talking adding a few justices. SCOTUS needs to have 30 or more justices, and panels to hear specific cases need to be drawn at random. It's amazing, just amazing, that we have such an anachronistic court as our highest, and with basically unlimited power to rule and so easily manipulated by a turtle from KY.)

Now I'm depressed...

Been thinking about McConnell today and the filibuster. Enough of us on the left will worry about blowing up the filibuster, fretting about what the GOP will do when they get control if we don't have whatever the heck protection the filibuster is supposed to guarantee.

 Mitch will blow up the filibuster the second he gets his hands on the wheel again. No matter what most Dems think is reasonable, once the Republicans gain control it will be the Gospel according to Mitch. Think Merrick Garland and the complete reversal to accommodate Amy Comey Barrett.


The thing about the filibuster for Republicans is that I don't think it's quite as important to them. They might let it remain. They don't do a lot of legislating - they're fine with

1) packing the Federal courts and

2) having legislative control in so many states.

They don't really need to, or care for, passing major laws. Tax cuts go through reconciliation so the filibuster doesn't apply. Plus, until 2024 they've got Biden in the way to stop whatever they might try to do.

I think they could live with the filibuster just fine and leave it around for when the tides shift again, if that ever happens.

ETA: By "important to them" I meant for when they're in power. Obviously it's essential when they're "out of power".


drummerboy said:

The thing about the filibuster for Republicans is that I don't think it's quite as important to them. They might let it remain. They don't do a lot of legislating - they're fine with

1) packing the Federal courts and

2) having legislative control in so many states.

They don't really need to, or care for, passing major laws. Tax cuts go through reconciliation so the filibuster doesn't apply. Plus, until 2024 they've got Biden in the way to stop whatever they might try to do.

I think they could live with the filibuster just fine and leave it around for when the tides shift again, if that ever happens.

ETA: By "important to them" I meant for when they're in power. Obviously it's essential when they're "out of power".

wait until they want to outlaw abortion and annul same sex marriages. Then they'll be legislating. 


ml1 said:

drummerboy said:

The thing about the filibuster for Republicans is that I don't think it's quite as important to them. They might let it remain. They don't do a lot of legislating - they're fine with

1) packing the Federal courts and

2) having legislative control in so many states.

They don't really need to, or care for, passing major laws. Tax cuts go through reconciliation so the filibuster doesn't apply. Plus, until 2024 they've got Biden in the way to stop whatever they might try to do.

I think they could live with the filibuster just fine and leave it around for when the tides shift again, if that ever happens.

ETA: By "important to them" I meant for when they're in power. Obviously it's essential when they're "out of power".

wait until they want to outlaw abortion and annul same sex marriages. Then they'll be legislating. 

Deomcrats would never tell people what they can and can't do with their bodies


terp said:

ml1 said:

drummerboy said:

The thing about the filibuster for Republicans is that I don't think it's quite as important to them. They might let it remain. They don't do a lot of legislating - they're fine with

1) packing the Federal courts and

2) having legislative control in so many states.

They don't really need to, or care for, passing major laws. Tax cuts go through reconciliation so the filibuster doesn't apply. Plus, until 2024 they've got Biden in the way to stop whatever they might try to do.

I think they could live with the filibuster just fine and leave it around for when the tides shift again, if that ever happens.

ETA: By "important to them" I meant for when they're in power. Obviously it's essential when they're "out of power".

wait until they want to outlaw abortion and annul same sex marriages. Then they'll be legislating. 

Deomcrats would never tell people what they can and can't do with their bodies

I'll bet you thought that was quite clever. 



ml1 said:

terp said:

Deomcrats would never tell people what they can and can't do with their bodies

I'll bet you thought that was quite clever. 


Please, don’t encourage him to turn this into another anti-vax thread. 


An example of Democrats telling people what they can or can't do with their bodies is the Mayor of San Francisco trying to stop homeless people form urinating and defecating where and when they please.


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