Roy Moore

LOST

Dec 11, 2017 at 12:32pm

I'd rather that my comments not be in mtierney's thread. So I've started this one and will try to transfer them to here.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/11/nebraska-rnc-official-resigns-roy-moore-support-289308?lo=ap_b1

Back in the day, it was more the custom for young women to marry older men with parental approval. Theory was the groom was established in his career and could support a wife and children. To hold remembered accounts of behavior dating back 40 years as the worth of a person is scary. Who will, wanting to aspire to elective office, survive such scrutiny?

My response:

40 years ago was 1977.

If by "back in the day" you mean 1877, well, maybe.

I was in my 30s in 1977. If I had been caught with a 14 year old I might still be in prison today.

Consider this.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/12/10/roy-moore-interview-sot-voice-of-alabama-politics.the-voice-of-alabama-politics/video/playlists/roy-moore/

kthnry

Dec 11, 2017 at 1:20pm

LOST said:

mtierney said:

My response:

40 years ago was 1977.

If by "back in the day" you mean 1877, well, maybe.

I was in my 30s in 1977. If I had been caught with a 14 year old I might still be in prison today.

I was 19 in 1977. I can testify that middle-school girls were not marrying 30-year-old men back then.

I strongly recommend not reading mtierney's thread. I'm 800+ posts behind and couldn't be happier. It was really messing with my head.

ridski

Dec 11, 2017 at 1:26pm

In his book, Roy Moore said he had seen Kayla "many" years earlier, although it doesn't specify how old she was when she first caught his eye. Women who spoke to the Washington Post said Moore asked them for dates in the late 1970s. Moore left Alabama in 1983, traveled to Texas and Australia, and returned in 1984, around the same time he met Kayla Kisor at the church Christmas party.

"Many years before, I had attended a dance recital at Gadsden State Junior College," Roy Moore wrote. "I remembered one of the special dances performed by a young woman whose first and last names began with the letter 'K.' It was something I had never forgotten. Could that young woman have been Kayla Kisor? Anxious to meet her, I began with the line, 'Haven't we met somewhere before?'"

Roy Moore wrote that he had a sense that his relationship with Kayla would be significant.

"I knew Kayla was going to be a special person in my life," Roy Moore wrote. "Long afterward, I would learn that Kayla had, in fact, performed a special dance routine at Gadsden State years before."

Kayla Moore was divorced and had a young daughter when Roy Moore married her in 1985. She was an adult when they dated and married, but she did attend school with the woman who accused Roy Moore of sexual assault in a Monday appearance orchestrated by attorney Gloria Allred. Beverly Young Nelson said she was a sophomore at Southside High School in 1977, alongside Kayla Kisor.

In the Washington Post story from last week, four women said Moore asked them for dates when they were between the ages of 14 and 18. He was in his early 30s at the time and working as a prosecutor in the Etowah County District Attorney's Office. The paper reported that he initiated sexual contact with a 14-year-old, and the most recent alleged victim said he groped her and grabbed her neck soon after she turned 16.

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/when_did_roy_moore_meet_his_wi.html

jamie

Dec 11, 2017 at 1:57pm

It will be fascinating to see what happens if Moore does win. I think most of the GOP hopes he loses. It's yet another fracture of the Republican Party.

LOST

Dec 11, 2017 at 2:04pm

kthnry said:

LOST said:

mtierney said:

My response:

40 years ago was 1977.

If by "back in the day" you mean 1877, well, maybe.

I was in my 30s in 1977. If I had been caught with a 14 year old I might still be in prison today.

I was 19 in 1977. I can testify that middle-school girls were not marrying 30-year-old men back then.

I strongly recommend not reading mtierney's thread. I'm 800+ posts behind and couldn't be happier. It was really messing with my head.

I was 31-32. If I had dated you (19) most people would have thought it weird.

Klinker

Dec 11, 2017 at 2:05pm

jamie said:

It will be fascinating to see what happens if Moore does win. I think most of the GOP hopes he loses. It's yet another fracture of the Republican Party.

I assume they will roll over and let him smell their collective butt just like they've done with Trump.

Klinker

Dec 11, 2017 at 2:07pm

kthnry said:

I strongly recommend not reading mtierney's thread. I'm 800+ posts behind and couldn't be happier. It was really messing with my head.

I think mtierney's thread is a fine rebuttal to the argument that Trump supporters can somehow be redeemed.

If we are to move forward, it will be without these folk.

LOST

Dec 11, 2017 at 2:13pm

West Point graduate? Really?

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/10/roy-moore-alabama-philadelphia-football-army-navy-288861

author

Dec 11, 2017 at 3:51pm

Klinker said:

kthnry said:

I strongly recommend not reading mtierney's thread. I'm 800+ posts behind and couldn't be happier. It was really messing with my head.

I think mtierney's thread is a fine rebuttal to the argument that Trump supporters can somehow be redeemed.

If we are to move forward, it will be without these folk.

Sad to say but some fraction of Trump supporters may be needed next time around. A lot of assumptions here but all are within the realm of possibility. I don't have exact figures handy but Trump took maybe 47 the vote last time. Now assuming he survives and chooses to run again and assuming there may be an attractive Third Party candidate..............The Dems will have to retain close to 100% of their last time vote

and siphon off some GOP voters.

More assumptions...........if the Economy is healthy and the Market is at least some what favorable than it will look bad for the home team.........that is the liberals and those farther left.

I don't know what to think if Pence is the President then. Trump entered the race as a lark and tapped a vein rich with voters but Pence projects a different image. Evil with dignity and he can speak to his audience without putting on a side show.

Klinker

Dec 11, 2017 at 4:04pm Edited

author said:

Klinker said:

kthnry said:

I strongly recommend not reading mtierney's thread. I'm 800+ posts behind and couldn't be happier. It was really messing with my head.

I think mtierney's thread is a fine rebuttal to the argument that Trump supporters can somehow be redeemed.

If we are to move forward, it will be without these folk.

Sad to say but some fraction of Trump supporters may be needed next time around. A lot of assumptions here but all are within the realm of possibility. I don't have exact figures handy but Trump took maybe 47 the vote last time. Now assuming he survives and chooses to run again and assuming there may be an attractive Third Party candidate..............The Dems will have to retain close to 100% of their last time vote

and siphon off some GOP voters.

More assumptions...........if the Economy is healthy and the Market is at least some what favorable than it will look bad for the home team.........that is the liberals and those farther left.

I don't know what to think if Pence is the President then. Trump entered the race as a lark and tapped a vein rich with voters but Pence projects a different image. Evil with dignity and he can speak to his audience without putting on a side show.

You lose too much in trying to appeal to deplorables. The minority of decent people who voted for Trump have abandoned him. Now we need to suppress the vote of those who are so depraved that they continue to support rapists and child molesters.

We are in a war for the future of our nation. The Republicans have been fighting dirty for years and it consistently allows them to win elections they should have lost. The time has come for the Left to take the gloves off and do what it takes to win and that means driving the the white supremacists and the misogynists back into the dark corners where they belong.

kthnry

Dec 11, 2017 at 4:22pm

LOST said:

I was 31-32. If I had dated you (19) most people would have thought it weird.

Reminds me of the movie Dazed and Confused, where Matthew McConaughey is the older guy who hits on high school girls. It was plenty creepy back then. I remember those types.

"That's what I love about these high school girls, man. I get older, they stay the same age."

drummerboy

Dec 12, 2017 at 4:45am

yes, even if some percentage of Trump voters are needed next time (though increasing turnout is the better strategy), that doesn't mean that the ones we need are the deplorables, nor does it mean we need to craft a message that appeals to them.

author said:

Klinker said:

kthnry said:

I strongly recommend not reading mtierney's thread. I'm 800+ posts behind and couldn't be happier. It was really messing with my head.

I think mtierney's thread is a fine rebuttal to the argument that Trump supporters can somehow be redeemed.

If we are to move forward, it will be without these folk.

Sad to say but some fraction of Trump supporters may be needed next time around. A lot of assumptions here but all are within the realm of possibility. I don't have exact figures handy but Trump took maybe 47 the vote last time. Now assuming he survives and chooses to run again and assuming there may be an attractive Third Party candidate..............The Dems will have to retain close to 100% of their last time vote

and siphon off some GOP voters.

More assumptions...........if the Economy is healthy and the Market is at least some what favorable than it will look bad for the home team.........that is the liberals and those farther left.

I don't know what to think if Pence is the President then. Trump entered the race as a lark and tapped a vein rich with voters but Pence projects a different image. Evil with dignity and he can speak to his audience without putting on a side show.

kibbegirl

Dec 12, 2017 at 7:46am

Many of our grand and great grandparents were married very young but their mates were age appropriate. And of course, many families married off their young girls to old men due to land, money, etc issues. It's not a female's child's responsibility to dig her family out of their financial woes. If a man is 40 and his bride is 14, well, that's child abuse.

Funny thing about us Americans is that we laugh at other nations who do the above and think that either we a) don't do this to our girls b) have never done this to our girls and c) we can explain away why an old man married a child "back in the day."

yahooyahoo

Dec 12, 2017 at 9:08am

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/200000-children-married-us-15-years-child-marriage-child-brides-new-jersey-chris-christie-a7830266.html

"More than 200,000 children were married in the US over the past 15 years, new figures have revealed.

Three 10-year-old girls and an 11-year-old boy were among the youngest to wed, under legal loopholes which allow minors to marry in certain circumstances.

The minimum age for marriage across most of the US is 18, but every state has exemptions – such as parental consent or pregnancy – which allow younger children to tie the knot."

Jasmo

Dec 12, 2017 at 10:06am

At least Roy Moore and his wife aren't antisemitic ohh

yahooyahoo

Dec 12, 2017 at 10:43am

Not only did she say "One of our attorneys is a Jew..." but she paused for effect and the crowd clapped and cheered.

We are doomed.

Jasmo said:

At least Roy Moore and his wife aren't antisemitic

kibbegirl

Dec 12, 2017 at 10:58am

The crowd cheered because they associate her sentiments. She's one of them. As is Trump. Do you think that if Jared wasn't a Kushner Trump would hold his tongue about Jared being Jewish?