Proposed Electrical Upgrade

Debra

Saw an article in village green about a proposed electrical upgrade for the residents in the hills of South Orange. If the proposed upgrade involves smart meters, it’s a good idea for the entire community to have substantive discussions about this because of the various alleged health concerns that have arisen as a result of smart meters. There are several lawsuits about this in California. It’s a good idea for all of us to educate ourselves about this. The American Cancer Society says there has been no research done on the health effects of smart meters. Something to check into carefully, before we sign on, especially for families with kids. 


I found this site but haven’t checked it carefully yet. Worth researching every aspect of this before we make a huge investment, IMO. 


https://mdsafetech.org/smart-meters/


Dennis
Lovesagoodsale said:
Saw an article in village green about a proposed electrical upgrade for the residents in the hills of South Orange. If the proposed upgrade involves smart meters, it’s a good idea for the entire community to have substantive discussions about this because of the various alleged health concerns that have arisen as a result of smart meters. There are several lawsuits about this in California. It’s a good idea for all of us to educate ourselves about this. The American Cancer Society says there has been no research done on the health effects of smart meters. Something to check into carefully, before we sign on, especially for families with kids. 


I found this site but haven’t checked it carefully yet. Worth researching every aspect of this before we make a huge investment, IMO. 


https://mdsafetech.org/smart-meters/

 It's especially dangerous to those wearing tin foil hats !


Debra

Research is always a good idea for anything. 


FilmCarp

if you read the article you would see that it does not include smart meters.


Debra

smart meters will depend on upgraded technology. 


cramer

You're going to have a very difficult time convincing the 900 households in Newstead, Upper Wyoming and Lower Wyoming that have to wait for hours to be restored after an outage that this is not a good idea. I support it 100%. 

From Village President Sheena Collum via Facebook on March 4, 2019:

"Dear Newstead, Upper Wyoming and Lower Wyoming. I know you’ve experienced power outages more than anyone else in town and you’re frustrated and rightfully so.

Here’s what’s up:

1) You’re on a circuit called South Orange 4002. It’s likely you may have other choice words for this circuit but let’s keep it family-friendly.

2) We lose power, like everyone else – however, our power lines are in the backyards which aesthetically is beautiful for neighborhoods but also makes things more complicated when PSE&G is trying to restore power from outages caused by down trees/lines/etc. primarily in storm events. When lots of the region loses power, we are basically last in line for restoration because in other towns, those great bucket trucks can quickly fix lines from the street.

3) Do you remember that song that connects all your bones? (I.e. the hip bone is connected to the… back bone, the back bones connected to the… shoulder bone). So power kind of works like that and if you have no idea of the song I’m referencing – just fuggedaboutit.

There is a substation, various circuits come out of a substation, the circuits bring power to your homes, and a fault can cause a circuit to open which disrupts the power going into your home. Still with me?

As it stands today, when there is a fault that opens a circuit, there is no way of knowing where the fault is. Thus, PSE&G comes out and needs to track it down. This delays power being restored because it’s like playing “Where’s Waldo.”

But, good news. There is smart technology that can fix this (it’s a recloser basically) and PSE&G wants to work with us to implement it.

Roughly a handful of properties will be minimally disrupted (we’ll obviously need to speak to them to get easements) but basically the implementation of this project will make it so that faults are identified very quickly and in many instances, a several hour wait for power restoration can be done in a matter of minutes because the smart technology and infrastructure upgrade will automatically (not manually) close the circuit which will bring power to the people.

I’ll give a more extensive update at the next board meeting [Monday, March 11] but this will be an amazing and a welcomed infrastructure upgrade to our community and a strategic investment that will have positive outcomes for 900+ households.

Feel free to pass along."

https://villagegreennj.com/towns/south-orange/collum-says-pseg-bringing-new-technology-to-solve-power-outages-in-south-orange/







FilmCarp
Lovesagoodsale said:
smart meters will depend on upgraded technology. 

 This says nothing.  Smart meters are not part of this project.  By that I mean, if I wasn't clear, that smart meters are not part of this project.


Debra

I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. I’m presenting information. If people have enough info, they can make good decisions. Smart meters and smart grids will require upgraded tech. That will require more towers because 5G uses higher frequency waves that are shorter. There may also be transmitters that are part of the electrical upgrade. I always urge people to get as much information as possible before making big decisions. It’s a process. 


Debra
FilmCarp said:


Lovesagoodsale said:
smart meters will depend on upgraded technology. 
 This says nothing.  Smart meters are not part of this project.  By that I mean, if I wasn't clear, that smart meters are not part of this project.

 There was no mention of smart meters in the article. Does that mean it’s not part of the project?  


cramer

Here's an article on reclosers, which are what is being installed. As a homeowner who experiences several outages a year which can last for several hours, I'm very happy that the Village has worked with PSE&G to help alleviate the problem. 

http://www.feca.com/RecloserTechnology.pdf


Debra

thanks!  That’s very helpful.


qrysdonnell

For what it's worth Smart Meters just have a radio transmitter of some sort in them. Most people these days carry their own portable radio transmitter and often are posting here to get advice on how to put more or stronger radio transmitters in their house.

My car even picks up music broadcast by radio transmitters in space!

Radio transmissions are nothing new, so there's little reason to suspect that they're a major health hazard at this point. I mean, most people carry their personal radio transmitters in their pockets. When they're not in their pockets they hold them next to their heads.

Additionally, radio waves are on the other side of the spectrum from what is called ionizing radiation, which is the radiation that is clearly 'bad'. These are x-rays and gamma rays. Ultraviolet light is adjacent to ionizing radiation and is also known to be harmful (sunburns, skin cancer, etc.). There's no controversy about the damaging effects of this sort of radiation. (Note: Well, I'm sure there's someone on YouTube...)

In an ironic twist, there was a time where radiation (generally through the form of radium therapy) was used as a pseudo-scientific treatment. It's funny (sad) that a lot of the sites that profess concern about radio waves from Smart Meters tend to also have articles about all sorts of pseudo-scientific heath treatments that while likely aren't quite as toxic as Radithor, some of them may not be that far off:

https://www.ranker.com/list/story-of-eben-byers-radiation-poisoning/cleo-egnal


Debra

I think the main difference between the old stuff we use and 5G is that the frequency is higher and this more powerful but waves are shorter so they require more “towers.”  I guess the question will someday come down to may be how many cell towers we allow on our block and is it safe?  Electromagnetic fields and radiation have always been around but the concentration is something to think about. 


FilmCarp

So a conversation about improving the power circuits in parts of our town is now about 5g towers.  


Debra

nope. It isn’t. What do you have to add?


qrysdonnell
Lovesagoodsale said:
I think the main difference between the old stuff we use and 5G is that the frequency is higher and this more powerful but waves are shorter so they require more “towers.”  I guess the question will someday come down to may be how many cell towers we allow on our block and is it safe?  Electromagnetic fields and radiation have always been around but the concentration is something to think about. 

I think some of this is just concern based on the terminology. I mean 'very high frequency' and 'ultra high frequency' just sounds BAD!

Now, imagine that you just hear about those bands with the initials VHF and UHF. Brings back memories of watching TV back in the day. Maybe even a Weird Al movie about the shows that would be on some of those ultra high frequency channels. Not quite as scary, right?

Also, when you want faster wifi you install an access point that runs at 5GHz as opposed to 2.4GHz. Bluetooth is 2.45GHz (which is the same as your microwave oven, thus all of your Bluetooth stuff is slowly cooking you? Seems logical... hmmmm).

If higher frequency of radiation is 'worse' then, watch out, because your infrared remote is likely radiating at nearly 320,000 GHz. Holy moly!!!

And your monitor is pumping 300,000,000 GHz radiation STRAIGHT TO THE BACK OF YOUR RETINA! What, how can you still see?!?!?!?

Science can make anything seem scary. What if I told you that dihydrogen monoxide is a chemical that your town is pumping RIGHT INTO YOUR HOUSE. And if you attempt to inhale dihydrogen monoxide it is fatal. Exposure to solid dihydrogen monoxide can even cause tissue damage. Sounds scary, right? Well, it's just the chemical name for water.

Overall, cancer rates have gone down as mobile phone usage (and wifi usage, etc.) has increased, so if it is causing more cancer it's not doing it enough to have shown up in real-life statistics.


FilmCarp
Lovesagoodsale said:
nope. It isn’t. What do you have to add?

 I corrected your misunderstanding of the actual issue  in my first post. If I have anything else to add I will add it without asking your permission.


Debra
qrysdonnell said:


Lovesagoodsale said:
I think the main difference between the old stuff we use and 5G is that the frequency is higher and this more powerful but waves are shorter so they require more “towers.”  I guess the question will someday come down to may be how many cell towers we allow on our block and is it safe?  Electromagnetic fields and radiation have always been around but the concentration is something to think about. 
I think some of this is just concern based on the terminology. I mean 'very high frequency' and 'ultra high frequency' just sounds BAD!
Now, imagine that you just hear about those bands with the initials VHF and UHF. Brings back memories of watching TV back in the day. Maybe even a Weird Al movie about the shows that would be on some of those ultra high frequency channels. Not quite as scary, right?
Also, when you want faster wifi you install an access point that runs at 5GHz as opposed to 2.4GHz. Bluetooth is 2.45GHz (which is the same as your microwave oven, thus all of your Bluetooth stuff is slowly cooking you? Seems logical... hmmmm).
If higher frequency of radiation is 'worse' then, watch out, because your infrared remote is likely radiating at nearly 320,000 GHz. Holy moly!!!
And your monitor is pumping 300,000,000 GHz radiation STRAIGHT TO THE BACK OF YOUR RETINA! What, how can you still see?!?!?!?
Science can make anything seem scary. What if I told you that dihydrogen monoxide is a chemical that your town is pumping RIGHT INTO YOUR HOUSE. And if you attempt to inhale dihydrogen monoxide it is fatal. Exposure to solid dihydrogen monoxide can even cause tissue damage. Sounds scary, right? Well, it's just the chemical name for water.
Overall, cancer rates have gone down as mobile phone usage (and wifi usage, etc.) has increased, so if it is causing more cancer it's not doing it enough to have shown up in real-life statistics.

 Science doesn’t make things scary for me, it explains things. Thanks for your explanation. The thing that worries me about 5G is not unfounded and there hasn’t been any research about what it does to our health. I don’t think living in increasingly dense electromagnetic fields is a good thing and that’s probably why homes next to electric towers are not as valuable as others in the same neighborhoods, for example. 


Edited to add this: don’t know where your data comes from but rates for Gliobastomas (a very gnarly type of brain cancer) are up significantly from a British study that tested cell phone users from 1995 to 2005. Also, if you read the fine print that comes with your new phone, they recommend using headphones. That’s to keep those waves far away from your brain. I always read the fine print since I used to type that stuff for a living. Nobody reads much these days. Pity. 


Debra
FilmCarp said:


Lovesagoodsale said:
nope. It isn’t. What do you have to add?
 I corrected your misunderstanding of the actual issue  in my first post. If I have anything else to add I will add it without asking your permission.

 Duly noted. Have a great day!


yahooyahoo
Lovesagoodsale said:
Saw an article in village green about a proposed electrical upgrade for the residents in the hills of South Orange. If the proposed upgrade involves smart meters, it’s a good idea for the entire community to have substantive discussions about this because of the various alleged health concerns that have arisen as a result of smart meters. There are several lawsuits about this in California. It’s a good idea for all of us to educate ourselves about this. The American Cancer Society says there has been no research done on the health effects of smart meters. Something to check into carefully, before we sign on, especially for families with kids. 


I found this site but haven’t checked it carefully yet. Worth researching every aspect of this before we make a huge investment, IMO. 


https://mdsafetech.org/smart-meters/

I guess you are against cell phone use in South Orange as well?


Debra
yahooyahoo said:


Lovesagoodsale said:
Saw an article in village green about a proposed electrical upgrade for the residents in the hills of South Orange. If the proposed upgrade involves smart meters, it’s a good idea for the entire community to have substantive discussions about this because of the various alleged health concerns that have arisen as a result of smart meters. There are several lawsuits about this in California. It’s a good idea for all of us to educate ourselves about this. The American Cancer Society says there has been no research done on the health effects of smart meters. Something to check into carefully, before we sign on, especially for families with kids. 


I found this site but haven’t checked it carefully yet. Worth researching every aspect of this before we make a huge investment, IMO. 


https://mdsafetech.org/smart-meters/
I guess you are against cell phone use in South Orange as well?

 Nope. I am for educating ourselves about what’s around us tho. Knowledge is power and information is highly valuable. Don’t you agree?  (Rhetorical question.)




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