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jmitw said:

more likely he would have broken in if he didn't have a key.....although the noise might have warned them...but skilled people seem to be able to find a way in quietly.....

 I don't follow the reasoning behind this comment. We have no way of knowing if he would have broken in. We don't know what his intentions were when he entered the house. It may seem obvious he was planning a double homicide but we don't know. 

There's also been nothing in any reports to indicate Porter was a skilled criminal. There has been no mention of an arrest record. So again we can only speculate whether he could have successfully broken in.

Skywarp said:

conandrob240 said:

even if he had a key, it likely didn’t alter anyone’s outcome. A violent abuser would have found another way to strike if he wanted to kill her.

It might have altered the homeowner's. Porter may have waited for her to leave the house, leaving her the only victim. Or she might have been pummeled but not have died (the knives used in the attacks were acquired from within the home after he entered). Or, if he was determined to enter the house, it wouldn't have been by quietly using a key but by kicking in doors or smashing windows, which would have woken the homeowner up and have given him a fighting chance instead of being stabbed while unconscious in a vulnerable position. 911 could have been called immediately upon hearing someone barging in, bringing a police response within 5 minutes, which, even if the victims were stabbed, would greatly have increased their chances of survival. 

Sure, these are all what ifs, and it's possible the outcome would have been no different if Porter didn't have a key, but I don't think you can say that the outcome would likely have been the same whether or not he did. It was a major factor in the element of surprise in this case as well as in adding the homeowner as a victim.  

Well, if we’re playing what if, he could have broken in another day when everyone was home and the whole family could have been killed. A violent abuser finds a way and blaming the victim doesn’t really help.

conandrob240 said:

Well, if we’re playing what if, he could have broken in another day when everyone was home and the whole family could have been killed. A violent abuser finds a way and blaming the victim doesn’t really help.

 You are assuming this guy was some kind of unstoppable Michael Myers-type violent criminal genius. There's no basis in fact for that.

mrincredible said:

jmitw said:

more likely he would have broken in if he didn't have a key.....although the noise might have warned them...but skilled people seem to be able to find a way in quietly.....

 I don't follow the reasoning behind this comment. We have no way of knowing if he would have broken in. We don't know what his intentions were when he entered the house. It may seem obvious he was planning a double homicide but we don't know. 

There's also been nothing in any reports to indicate Porter was a skilled criminal. There has been no mention of an arrest record. So again we can only speculate whether he could have successfully broken in.

 I don't get what is so hard to understand.  I never said HE WOULD HAVE......a previous comment stated the man might not have been hurt if the ex didn't have a key...might have just ambushed the girl...

and its not about being a skilled criminal...just having handy skills

I WAS ONLY SPECULATING.......just like you said we can only speculate..

Out of respect to the victims and their families, we should stop speculating.

yahooyahoo said:

Out of respect to the victims and their families, we should stop speculating.

 Really people.  ^^this.

It is long past time to close out the thread.  This is a time for reflection

Yeah.  This isn’t a crime show.  It’s peoples’ lives lost.  I agree with Author.  

I was rushing through Ricalton Square before last night's storm and met a thoughtful young woman who was moving the photo displays of Karen Bermudez-Rodriguez to safety.  I didn't know what to say to her.  My heart breaks for everyone who was affected by this horrible act of violence.

conandrob240 said:

Well, if we’re playing what if, he could have broken in another day when everyone was home and the whole family could have been killed. A violent abuser finds a way and blaming the victim doesn’t really help.

I'm typically adverse to "blaming the victim," but I can't help but feel that providing a key to Porter was the linchpin that allowed this whole tragedy to unfold as it did. Besides, without a key, he'd have to break in, likely causing noise, and, in the scenario that the whole family is home, there's a greater possibility of waking up multiple people, and he's outnumbered by adults 3 to 1 before he acquire a kitchen knife and while the kids call 911. Yes, an abuser finds a way, but she might have been the only victim instead of both her and the father, who was seemingly uninvolved in the lovers' quarrel. But I recognize that there are a myriad of details we'll never know, and I realize that the what ifs don't help very much. Thus, I'll agree with the others who it's time to lay this thread to rest until there's more info. 

This link to a Times article about Karen Bermudez Rodriguez was posted in another thread but belongs here, too.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/0...

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