Pepper Spray used Tonight at Trump Rally in Kansas City

In between reading poems and calling "Bernie, Bernie" he said "getemout" and that he would ruin their lives by getting them arrested.

Check out the video of the pepper spray blast:

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/12/police-use-pepper-spray-to-disperse-protesters-outside-trump-rally-in-kansas-city/

Used by the POLICE.  They felt a need to do so.  So they did.  It could be justified or not.  But it has nothing to do with Trump or his supporters. 

Campaign rallies often draw opponents of the candidate holding up signs or demonstrating. There are usually just a few protestors and usually very little violence, if any.

Trump's campaign is based largely on attacking people. "Make America great again" sounds positive but Trump's message is that you do that by targeting certain people. He wants to make America great by deporting 12 million people, building a fence to keep people out, banning people from entering the country based solely on religion. That provokes a response from those who are targeted.

As I've written the other candidates do not attract these kind of protests.

Yes yes just a bunch of protesters.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3488818/Pictured-Police-officer-wounded-cancelled-Trump-rally-Chicago-left-blood-head-face.html

The protests were so righteous and filled with forceful love that the cop's head started bleeding. The secret service in fact had to tackle one protestor who was trying to give Trump an assault of peace love and understanding.

It's amazing that acts of leftist violence somehow become discussions of right wing "atmosphere". You don't have to like Trump to be horrified.

The right wing really has gotten a hard on over the cop who was hit on the head. Its their talking point of the month or maybe even the year to discredit all Trump protests.

Its a protester who hit the cop. Its not indicative of all protesters, as much as the right wing tries to divert to that. The concentrate or be upset over Trump's racist and bigoted messages. Lets concentrate on the cop who was hit.

Lets talk about the real facts. About, the many protesters who expressed their 1st amendment rights and then were roughed up with Trump cheering on his bullies. In Trumpland that's OK, nothing to see there folks, just move on, business as usual.

The fact that these incidents happen only at Trump rallies, and not at those of Cruz, Rubio, Kasich or previously at those of Carson, Christie, Bush, et al suggest this is indeed the fault of Trump and not "the left."

The demonization of immigrants and Muslims is what is prompting the protests.  And in response, Trump is stoking anger on both sides.  

There have been disruptions from "the left" at both Sanders and Clinton events.  And in no instances have the events devolved into near riots.

I was waiting for an unequivocal condemnation of political violence. All I got was a big bag of "yeah buts". "Yeah but it's his fault for provoking them to hit cops" "Yeah but nobody riots at Sander's rally". "Yeah but they really don't like Trump's politics."

So there you have it.

Jackson_Fusion said:

I was waiting for an unequivocal condemnation of political violence. All I got was a big bag of "yeah buts". "Yeah but it's his fault for provoking them to hit cops" "Yeah but nobody riots at Sander's rally". "Yeah but they really don't like Trump's politics."

So there you have it.

Cut the crap. 

Your above post makes it obvious you've accepted and approved of the right wing talking point to condemn all Trump protesters bases on the cop who was hit.

When I didn't see this same level of concern when Trump bullies, with Trump egging them on, were attacking peaceful protesters. I also don't remember then Trump calling for the arrest and creation of criminal records for his bullies.

Try a better comeback next time. 

J_F,

No you don't have it. You want us all to say we are against all violence. OK, I'm against all violence, from the Right, Left, Middle. I'm even against violence by the police who, according to a reporter, grabbed him as e was photographing the scene, ignored his pleas that he was with the Press, threw him to the ground, then threw him into a van and charged him with resisting arrest.

The point is that Trump attracts violent "leftists". Even Kasich, Cruz and Rubio have made that point.

Trump certainly gives people plenty of reason to be angry and lash out.  But the mature and proper path is to resist those base instincts and realize that left to his own devices Trump can never be elected. So take the high road,  respect Trump's right to speak and happily watch him hang himself. 

But lash out and you have handed him a huge victory. 

BG9 said:

Jackson_Fusion said:

I was waiting for an unequivocal condemnation of political violence. All I got was a big bag of "yeah buts". "Yeah but it's his fault for provoking them to hit cops" "Yeah but nobody riots at Sander's rally". "Yeah but they really don't like Trump's politics."

So there you have it.

Cut the crap. 

Your above post makes it obvious you've accepted and approved of the right wing talking point to condemn all Trump protesters bases on the cop who was hit.

When I didn't see this same level of concern when Trump bullies, with Trump egging them on, were attacking peaceful protesters. I also don't remember then Trump calling for the arrest and creation of criminal records for his bullies.

Try a better comeback next time. 

Yeah but. Yeah but. 

Do you need others to condemn political violence for you to do so?

That's rhetorical. Don't trouble yourself.

You seem to assume a level of intelligence and forethought on the part of the protesters that I'm not sure exists.  If those that Maddow was kowtowing to are any representative indication, it doesn't.

ctrzaska,

Not sure who you are replying to but for insight into the protest read the article linked on the other thread.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/12/politics/donald-trump-protests/

A delightful article. Threatening families as they leave a political rally! Indeed, they are speaking truth to power.

I was unaware that MoveOn financed and organized these. I expect Sanders will condemn their tactics and disavow their support, since they have endorsed him, any minute now. Any minute.

ctrzaska said:

You seem to assume a level of intelligence and forethought on the part of the protesters that I'm not sure exists.  If those that Maddow was kowtowing to are any representative indication, it doesn't.

They are 100% freedom fighters for justice in their mind & the good guys in their own little drama. 

Not for even a second do they realize they're monsters. Their anger and "righteous" rage is its own justification. Terrifying.

bramzzoinks said:

Trump certainly gives people plenty of reason to be angry and lash out.  But the mature and proper path is to resist those base instincts and realize that left to his own devices Trump can never be elected. So take the high road,  respect Trump's right to speak and happily watch him hang himself. 

But lash out and you have handed him a huge victory. 

There are many who do not "realize that left to his own devices Trump can never be elected". They may be wrong but they are just as afraid of a Trump Presidency as Trump's supporters are of an "establishment" Presidency.

Perhaps they should just hold peaceful counter rallies near enough to be noticed but far away enough to avoid confrontation.

LOST said:

bramzzoinks said:

Trump certainly gives people plenty of reason to be angry and lash out.  But the mature and proper path is to resist those base instincts and realize that left to his own devices Trump can never be elected. So take the high road,  respect Trump's right to speak and happily watch him hang himself. 

But lash out and you have handed him a huge victory. 

There are many who do not "realize that left to his own devices Trump can never be elected". They may be wrong but they are just as afraid of a Trump Presidency as Trump's supporters are of an "establishment" Presidency.

Perhaps they should just hold peaceful counter rallies near enough to be noticed but far away enough to avoid confrontation.

Sure, except the Trump rallies have set a new low for attention-getting. 

People are hurling slime at each other right here on MOL because of this Chump. He should get outta here!!!

LOST said:

ctrzaska,

Not sure who you are replying to but for insight into the protest read the article linked on the other thread.

Zoinks' post two above.  And I did read it.

springgreen2 said:

LOST said:

bramzzoinks said:

Trump certainly gives people plenty of reason to be angry and lash out.  But the mature and proper path is to resist those base instincts and realize that left to his own devices Trump can never be elected. So take the high road,  respect Trump's right to speak and happily watch him hang himself. 

But lash out and you have handed him a huge victory. 

There are many who do not "realize that left to his own devices Trump can never be elected". They may be wrong but they are just as afraid of a Trump Presidency as Trump's supporters are of an "establishment" Presidency.

Perhaps they should just hold peaceful counter rallies near enough to be noticed but far away enough to avoid confrontation.

Sure, except the Trump rallies have set a new low for attention-getting. 




People are hurling slime at each other right here on MOL because of this Chump. He should get outta here!!!

So the PAC supporting one major candidate is sending people to disrupt a second candidate's rallies by smashing cops on the head, threatening and harassing people, and physically attacks a second candidate, the only reasonable thing, for the good of public discourse, is for the second candidate to immediately declare an end to their candidacy. 

Wow, political violence really DOES work!

If Rubio supporters showed up at Clinton's rallies for a little heckler's veto action, and then attacked people and physically tried to accost Hillary I guess the only thing she could do, for the good of America, is immediately give in to the mob. Otherwise she'd be just making people upset!

Bernie is not sending them there. They are furious about Trump.

@jackson_fusion: So the PAC supporting one major candidate is sending people to disrupt a second candidate's rallies by smashing cops on the head, threatening and harassing people, and physically attacks a second candidate, the only reasonable thing, for the good of public discourse, is for the second candidate to immediately declare an end to their candidacy."

Bernie Sanders does not have a "PAC supporting him."

@jackson_fusion: "So the PAC supporting one major candidate is sending people to disrupt a second candidate's rallies by smashing cops on the head, threatening and harassing people, and physically attacks a second candidate, the only reasonable thing, for the good of public discourse, is for the second candidate to immediately declare an end to their candidacy."

Bernie Sanders does not have a "PAC supporting him." Or did you mean Hillary Clinton?

Jackson_Fusion said:

So the PAC supporting one major candidate is sending people to disrupt a second candidate's rallies by smashing cops on the head, threatening and harassing people, and physically attacks a second candidate, the only reasonable thing, for the good of public discourse, is for the second candidate to immediately declare an end to their candidacy. 

Wow, political violence really DOES work!

As springgreen2 indicated, Bernie is NOT supported by any PAC. It seems most of the violence is coming from the Trump supporters.

A list of violent incidents at Donald Trump rallies and events.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/03/02/a_list_of_violent_incidents_at_donald_trump_rallies_and_events.html

Donald Trump’s Rallies Are Becoming Increasingly Violent

The assault by John McGraw, who was later arrested after bragging to Inside Edition shortly after the confrontation that the protester “deserved it” and “next time, we might have to kill him,” is only the latest in a series of violent and frightening incidents at Trump rallies of late.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/03/donald-trump-protesters-rally-violence

springgreen2 said:

@jackson_fusion: "So the PAC supporting one major candidate is sending people to disrupt a second candidate's rallies by smashing cops on the head, threatening and harassing people, and physically attacks a second candidate, the only reasonable thing, for the good of public discourse, is for the second candidate to immediately declare an end to their candidacy."

Bernie Sanders does not have a "PAC supporting him." Or did you mean Hillary Clinton?

MoveOn's PAC

http://front.moveon.org/about/#.VuYNFor3bC

Endorsed Bernie Sanders

http://front.moveon.org/about/

And are organizing and financing the "protests".

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/12/politics/donald-trump-protests/

Good?

@Jackson_Fusion: no it's not good. MoveOn.org is not a pac relating exclusively to Bernie Sanders. Donald Trump literally has called for violence. Protesters have not. There's a difference but you obviously don't get it.

springgreen2 said:

@Jackson_Fusion: no it's not good. MoveOn.org is not a pac relating exclusively to Bernie Sanders. Donald Trump literally has called for violence. Protesters have not. There's a difference but you obviously don't get it.

Who are they supporting in the 2016 Presidential election?

As it stands today who are the 2 candidates their chosen candidate needs to defeat?

Who is organizing and financing the "protesters".

Anyway- yet another "yeah but". No condemnation of actual political violence.  

It's always wrong.

Get it?

No! It's not a "yeah, but." Bernie's campaign is not organizing or funding the protests. Again, you don't get that some of the protesters may be Bernie supporters, but that does not mean Bernie's campaign is organizing the protest. You must have the cognitive skills to comprehend that.

Oh, you mean you don't support political violence. That's good.

Jackson_Fusion said:

springgreen2 said:

@jackson_fusion: "So the PAC supporting one major candidate is sending people to disrupt a second candidate's rallies by smashing cops on the head, threatening and harassing people, and physically attacks a second candidate, the only reasonable thing, for the good of public discourse, is for the second candidate to immediately declare an end to their candidacy."

Bernie Sanders does not have a "PAC supporting him." Or did you mean Hillary Clinton?

MoveOn's PAC

http://front.moveon.org/about/#.VuYNFor3bC


Endorsed Bernie Sanders

http://front.moveon.org/about/


And are organizing and financing the "protests".

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/12/politics/donald-trump-protests/





Good?

And David Duke, among other racists, have endorsed Trump. Does the same responsibility transference apply ?

Adding fuel to the fire…

Top Racists And Neo-Nazis Back Donald Trump

He might not want their endorsement, but white nationalists want him.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/meet-the-prominent-white-nationalists-fired-up-to-support-do#.gtPvZN5vE

springgreen2 said:

No! It's not a "yeah, but." Bernie's campaign is not organizing or funding the protests. Again, you don't get that some of the protesters may be Bernie supporters, but that does not mean Bernie's campaign is organizing the protest. You must have the cognitive skills to comprehend that.

Oh, you mean you don't support political violence. That's good.

Who suggested that Bernie Sanders and his campaign is personally organizing any of this, except you, just now? 

Honestly, do you know how annoying it was to bounce between windows, cutting and pasting all the stuff about the PAC and the endorsement and the financial support and recruitment and the yelling and the hitting and the crazy to get you up to speed and you think we're discussing whether Bernie Sanders is organizing and sending a troupe of his neck beards personally to attack Trump?

And on an IPHONE for God's sake. And not even a new one!

We're good dude. Total misunderstanding. 

I was curious about the lack of condemnation of political violence, but I'm not anymore. I'll chalk it up to just a generalized befuddled oversight rather than anything sinister.