Ohio is scaring me. Who scares you? NJ edition.

mtierney said:

drummerboy said:

I'm not a huge fan of  older jazz (like 30's to 40's I guess) but I heard some great songs on that station. Mostly overnight.

Jazz was invented by Black and White musicians of the ‘30s-‘40s, here and in Europe. Django Reinhardt and Steven Grappeli (sp.?) , Louis Armstrong, etc are among the great names in Jazz. My husband collected every album, and cassette, even contacted dealers in England to obtain every recording possible. 

er, ok.

I'm a trumpet player. Louis Armstrong was one of my first idols as a child.

Jazz started a bit before the 30's, and there were few white musicians involved in its invention. Forget few - make that none.

Jaytee said:

mtierney said:

Jazz was invented by Black and White musicians of the ‘30s-‘40s, here and in Europe 

You have no idea what you’re talking about. It’s no wonder you think the way you do. Pure ignorance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz

Jazz is a music genre that originated in the African-American communities of New Orleans, Louisiana in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, with its roots in blues and ragtime.^[1][2][3][4] Since the 1920s Jazz Age, it has been recognized as a major form of musical expression in traditional and popular music. Jazz is characterized by swing and blue notes, complex chords, call and response vocals, polyrhythms and improvisation. Jazz has roots in European harmony and African rhythmic rituals.^[5][6]

drummerboy said:

mtierney said:

drummerboy said:

I'm not a huge fan of  older jazz (like 30's to 40's I guess) but I heard some great songs on that station. Mostly overnight.

Jazz was invented by Black and White musicians of the ‘30s-‘40s, here and in Europe. Django Reinhardt and Steven Grappeli (sp.?) , Louis Armstrong, etc are among the great names in Jazz. My husband collected every album, and cassette, even contacted dealers in England to obtain every recording possible. 

er, ok.

I'm a trumpet player. Louis Armstrong was one of my first idols as a child.

Jazz started a bit before the 30's, and there were few white musicians involved in its invention. Forget few - make that none.

every time you pontificate, you show how misinformed you are..

“I've Found a New Baby
from Hot Club Quartette, Vol. 1
"Legendary" is the appropriate word here. Stephane Grappelli was born before WWI and continued to be an influence, and a concert draw, until just about the end of his life. (He died in 1997 at age 89.) His list of collaborators is long and includes the most respected names in jazz, as well as some we should know more about. His sound gave jazz an European sensibility, making listeners aware of their similarities rather than their differences. As for his massive repertoire, I'm partial to the Hot Club dates with Django Reinhardt.

mtierney said:

drummerboy said:

mtierney said:

drummerboy said:

I'm not a huge fan of  older jazz (like 30's to 40's I guess) but I heard some great songs on that station. Mostly overnight.

Jazz was invented by Black and White musicians of the ‘30s-‘40s, here and in Europe. Django Reinhardt and Steven Grappeli (sp.?) , Louis Armstrong, etc are among the great names in Jazz. My husband collected every album, and cassette, even contacted dealers in England to obtain every recording possible. 

er, ok.

I'm a trumpet player. Louis Armstrong was one of my first idols as a child.

Jazz started a bit before the 30's, and there were few white musicians involved in its invention. Forget few - make that none.

every time you pontificate, you show how misinformed you are..

“I've Found a New Baby
from Hot Club Quartette, Vol. 1
"Legendary" is the appropriate word here. Stephane Grappelli was born before WWI and continued to be an influence, and a concert draw, until just about the end of his life. (He died in 1997 at age 89.) His list of collaborators is long and includes the most respected names in jazz, as well as some we should know more about. His sound gave jazz an European sensibility, making listeners aware of their similarities rather than their differences. As for his massive repertoire, I'm partial to the Hot Club dates with Django Reinhardt.

Django Reinhardt with the Hot Club Quintet
John Fordham
John Fordham
Thu 16 Jun 2011 19.45 EDT
In 1928, at 18, Belgian gypsy musician Django Reinhardt lost the use of the third and fourth fingers of his left hand in a caravan fire, forcing him to abandon both the violin and banjo and concentrate on the guitar, playing solos with only his index and second finger. He developed a unique style full of vibrato-humming fast runs, piano-like trills and sax-like speed. Reinhardt later led the celebrated Quintette du Hot Club de France with violinist Stéphane Grappelli, toured the US in 1947 with Duke Ellington, and is regarded as Europe's first jazz improvising genius.

"In the years after the fire, Reinhardt was rehabilitating and experimenting on the guitar that his brother had given him. After having played a broad spectrum of music, he was introduced to American jazz by an acquaintance, Émile Savitry, whose record collection included such musical luminaries as Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington, and Joe Venuti and Eddie Lang."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Django_Reinhardt#Discovery_of_jazz

I know it's only Wikipedia, but it's a start if anyone wants to explore further.

mtierney said:

drummerboy said:

mtierney said:

drummerboy said:

I'm not a huge fan of  older jazz (like 30's to 40's I guess) but I heard some great songs on that station. Mostly overnight.

Jazz was invented by Black and White musicians of the ‘30s-‘40s, here and in Europe. Django Reinhardt and Steven Grappeli (sp.?) , Louis Armstrong, etc are among the great names in Jazz. My husband collected every album, and cassette, even contacted dealers in England to obtain every recording possible. 

er, ok.

I'm a trumpet player. Louis Armstrong was one of my first idols as a child.

Jazz started a bit before the 30's, and there were few white musicians involved in its invention. Forget few - make that none.

every time you pontificate, you show how misinformed you are..

“I've Found a New Baby
from Hot Club Quartette, Vol. 1
"Legendary" is the appropriate word here. Stephane Grappelli was born before WWI and continued to be an influence, and a concert draw, until just about the end of his life. (He died in 1997 at age 89.) His list of collaborators is long and includes the most respected names in jazz, as well as some we should know more about. His sound gave jazz an European sensibility, making listeners aware of their similarities rather than their differences. As for his massive repertoire, I'm partial to the Hot Club dates with Django Reinhardt.

oh my dear, you don't know squat. You are trying, for some unknown reason, to whitewash the birth of jazz.

Grapelli , while a great musician, was not an inventor of the genre.

drummerboy said:

oh my dear, you don't know squat. You are trying, for some unknown reason, to whitewash the birth of jazz.

Only in your way of thinking, db.

Jazz was not “invented” but grew after WW1, the chaos of the Roaring ‘20s, the Great Depression, morphing into Hitler’s destruction of Europe and the start of WW2 . Prohibition  created  a venue of clubs where Jazz  was the people’s music of survival. Black and white musicians joined forces and made music.

mtierney said:

Only in your way of thinking, db.

Jazz was not “invented” but grew after WW1, the chaos of the Roaring ‘20s, the Great Depression, morphing into Hitler’s destruction of Europe and the start of WW2 . Prohibition  created  a venue of clubs where Jazz  was the people’s music of survival. Black and white musicians joined forces and made music.

Just like Elvis, Bill Haley, and Bobby Darin invented rock & roll. 

mtierney said:

drummerboy said:

oh my dear, you don't know squat. You are trying, for some unknown reason, to whitewash the birth of jazz.

Only in your way of thinking, db.

Jazz was not “invented” but grew after WW1, the chaos of the Roaring ‘20s, the Great Depression, morphing into Hitler’s destruction of Europe and the start of WW2 . Prohibition  created  a venue of clubs where Jazz  was the people’s music of survival. Black and white musicians joined forces and made music.

I admire the fact that you're actually trying to have a discussion here, but OMG you're so wrong. For some reason, you're defining the start of jazz after white people started playing it.

Which I guess is pretty consistent with your other points of view.

Vanilla ice invented rap music….

mtierney said:

drummerboy said:

oh my dear, you don't know squat. You are trying, for some unknown reason, to whitewash the birth of jazz.

Only in your way of thinking, db.

Jazz was not “invented” but grew after WW1, the chaos of the Roaring ‘20s, the Great Depression, morphing into Hitler’s destruction of Europe and the start of WW2 . Prohibition  created  a venue of clubs where Jazz  was the people’s music of survival. Black and white musicians joined forces and made music.

and another thing. black and white musicians didn't join forces publicly (at least in America) until the late 30's.

(first integrated band seems to be a Benny Goodman quartet in 1937)

and "the people's music of survival"?

whut?

Jaytee said:

Vanilla ice invented rap music….

don't forget House of Pain. 

ml1 said:

don't forget House of Pain. 

I thought it was Blondie. 

jfinnegan said:

I thought it was Blondie. 

hey… don’t forget Johnny cash 

Well, I'm here. Finally made it to the mid-west. (staying with brother while waiting for the movers to schedule their arrival)

Went to the convenience store down the street. Fox News on the TV. Topic? CRIME EPIDEMIC IN NYC!!

Searched google for liquor stores. Most of the search results had to do with whether you could bring a gun into the store.

At least gas is cheaper.

drummerboy said:

Well, I'm here. Finally made it to the mid-west. (staying with brother while waiting for the movers to schedule their arrival)

Went to the convenience store down the street. Fox News on the TV. Topic? CRIME EPIDEMIC IN NYC!!

Searched google for liquor stores. Most of the search results had to do with whether you could bring a gun into the store.

At least gas is cheaper.

Almost paradise. 

drummerboy said:

Well, I'm here. Finally made it to the mid-west. (staying with brother while waiting for the movers to schedule their arrival)

Went to the convenience store down the street. Fox News on the TV. Topic? CRIME EPIDEMIC IN NYC!!

Searched google for liquor stores. Most of the search results had to do with whether you could bring a gun into the store.

At least gas is cheaper.

Sounds like you will be popular on your new town's local message board. Perhaps you can convert some of the great unwashed.

drummerboy said:

Well, I'm here. Finally made it to the mid-west. (staying with brother while waiting for the movers to schedule their arrival)

Went to the convenience store down the street. Fox News on the TV. Topic? CRIME EPIDEMIC IN NYC!!

Searched google for liquor stores. Most of the search results had to do with whether you could bring a gun into the store.

At least gas is cheaper.

Good luck in your new location/home.

Thanks DB for resurrecting this thread. I missed so many great posts!  Hope you find some kindred spirits there.

Reach out to Sen. Sherrod Brown.  Although we needed him in the Senate, I still thought he would have been a great President.

RealityForAll said:

Good luck in your new location/home.

Thank you!

Looking forward to reading your thoughts on Ohio. 

Happy landings, db.  If you're anywhere near Cleveland, there are people there very active for S. Brown and his ilk, former Maplewoodians.

oh. I'm not so sure about this.

https://pizzaneed.com/ohio-valley-style-pizza/

WHAT IS OHIO VALLEY-STYLE PIZZA?

Ohio Valley-style pizza is a rarity in the culinary world. It is a dish that gets served partially cold.

You’ll find this unique approach to making pizza in a string of towns along the Ohio River Valley. Steubenville is the center of this exciting take on a classic dish, but several small towns have at least one restaurant or pizzeria that serves it.

An authentic Ohio Valley-style pizza comes out of the often with a baked crust, tomato sauce, and a thin layer of melted cheese. Then a thicker mound of mozzarella gets piled on top of it so that you experience a hot and cold bite simultaneously.

You must devour this style of pizza to maximize the flavor profile. The cold cheese begins to melt almost immediately as the dish gets served, so it can turn into a congealed mess when it sits for a while. That’s why you’ll see most orders are for individual servings for this regional offering.

Delivery options are also available, with fresh slices experiencing a bit more melting than a pizza served fresh in the pizzeria

It sounds like it was invented after someone who got their fresh-out-of-the-oven slice said "but I ordered extra cheese..."

And then the Ohio Valley-style pizza was born.

Apparently they don't cook the pepperoni either. Don't know about other toppings.

drummerboy said:

oh. I'm not so sure about this.

https://pizzaneed.com/ohio-valley-style-pizza/

WHAT IS OHIO VALLEY-STYLE PIZZA?

Ohio Valley-style pizza is a rarity in the culinary world. It is a dish that gets served partially cold.

You’ll find this unique approach to making pizza in a string of towns along the Ohio River Valley. Steubenville is the center of this exciting take on a classic dish, but several small towns have at least one restaurant or pizzeria that serves it.

An authentic Ohio Valley-style pizza comes out of the often with a baked crust, tomato sauce, and a thin layer of melted cheese. Then a thicker mound of mozzarella gets piled on top of it so that you experience a hot and cold bite simultaneously.

You must devour this style of pizza to maximize the flavor profile. The cold cheese begins to melt almost immediately as the dish gets served, so it can turn into a congealed mess when it sits for a while. That’s why you’ll see most orders are for individual servings for this regional offering.

Delivery options are also available, with fresh slices experiencing a bit more melting than a pizza served fresh in the pizzeria

Sounds akin to the way they serve Skyline Chili - over spaghetti.

I don’t really recall, but the spaghetti may be cold, too.

Ohio Valley pizza, like revenge, is a dish best served cold.

And they're freakin' proud of it, too. Why Pittsburghers should brag about Ohio Valley Pizza | Pittsburgh City Paper (pghcitypaper.com)

"Outsiders may sneer at the approach of using cold toppings on top of hot, but there's more to it than that. It involves a square pizza dough that rises high and achieves a light consistency. The crust underneath has a satisfying crunch that few other styles can match. The sweet sauce is light on spice, making it surprisingly refreshing.

"Yes, the toppings are put on cold after the pizza has left the oven, but most of the cheese still melts. The cold toppings also provide a chewy texture that, again, no other pizza style matches."

It sounds like the pizza they serve in Hell.

 Good luck in Ohil! My nephew is pitching at Kenyon so I figure I'll be taking a road trip out there at some point.