Notre Dame protest

How very effective, and how courageous!


Very similar to the protest of Betsy DeVos at Bethune-Cookman University earlier this month where the students stood up and turned their backs on her.  Trump et al thought **** would die down after the inauguration.  They thought wrong. 


It's heartening to see how our young people are rallying, in so many ways.


A link would be appreciated. I have no clue about what happened at Notre Dame


Sutdents walked out of their graduation ceremony when Pence started to speak: http://shareblue.com/throng-of...


Agree with the intent and applaud the students, but how is it "very effective?"


44

Better than remaining silent.



apple44 said:

Agree with the intent and applaud the students, but how is it "very effective?"

It's a very visible, highly noticed way to state their protest.


Conservative "pundit" Tomi Lahren tweeted this today:

Snowflakes think this kind of crap will fly in the real world? Good luck holding a job, kids! https://t.co/O19otIrW77— Tomi Lahren (@TomiLahren) May 22, 2017

Of course, a lot of people noted that she herself wasn't able to hold her first job out of college, leaving The Blaze under a cloud of recriminations. It seems projection is the default state of many right wing celebs.

http://www.salon.com/2017/05/2...



They made the national news with a relatively small number of people protesting. They were very effective.


yahooyahoo said:

They made the national news with a relatively small number of people protesting. They were very effective.

They made the news because it was Notre Dame. A conservative school goes against expectation.


I guess I'm being literal, and think that calling something "very effective" means that it has had some real effect. Have Pence or Trump changed even one position on anything owing to this or other protests? Maybe that's too much to ask, but if that's not the end game, what's the point?

I agree, a small effort has resulted in a lot of media coverage. I look at that as impressive and important, but have a more difficult time saying it's effective.


Changed Trump's/Pence's position? Probably not.

Made Trump more unhinged, so he potentially incriminated himself and/or others?  Possibly.

Made Congress more aware that more conservatives are not blindly supporting current Republican policies?  Hopefully.


It was a very visible protest in the heart of Pence's home state.  If it makes anyone pause for a moment and consider what Pence is about then I think it's effective.

apple44 said:

I guess I'm being literal, and think that calling something "very effective" means that it has had some real effect. Have Pence or Trump changed even one position on anything owing to this or other protests? Maybe that's too much to ask, but if that's not the end game, what's the point?

I agree, a small effort has resulted in a lot of media coverage. I look at that as impressive and important, but have a more difficult time saying it's effective.




yahooyahoo said:

It was a very visible protest in the heart of Pence's home state.  If it makes anyone pause for a moment and consider what Pence is about then I think it's effective.

Our resistance and protests are spreading everywhere, building consensus.



apple44 said:

I guess I'm being literal, and think that calling something "very effective" means that it has had some real effect. Have Pence or Trump changed even one position on anything owing to this or other protests? Maybe that's too much to ask, but if that's not the end game, what's the point?

I agree, a small effort has resulted in a lot of media coverage. I look at that as impressive and important, but have a more difficult time saying it's effective.

It was effective in getting their message out.  It may not have had the effect you would have liked but it did have an effect.


Many cheered.  Many scoffed.  Many laughed.  I'm sure their message was received by those already predisposed to their positions, and provided little in the way of revelation.  When it's all said and done (if not already), it will be forgotten and not rise to a footnote.   So yes, quite symbolic, but still largely ineffective.  



apple44 said:

I guess I'm being literal, and think that calling something "very effective" means that it has had some real effect. Have Pence or Trump changed even one position on anything owing to this or other protests? Maybe that's too much to ask, but if that's not the end game, what's the point?

I agree, a small effort has resulted in a lot of media coverage. I look at that as impressive and important, but have a more difficult time saying it's effective.

Its a start.

The first Vietnam protests were also labeled not being effective.


"The whole world is watching..."



ctrzaska said:

Many cheered.  Many scoffed.  Many laughed.  I'm sure their message was received by those already predisposed to their positions, and provided little in the way of revelation.  When it's all said and done (if not already), it will be forgotten and not rise to a footnote.   So yes, quite symbolic, but still largely ineffective.  

True.  Just fodder for the one-day news cycle.



ctrzaska said:

Many cheered.  Many scoffed.  Many laughed.  I'm sure their message was received by those already predisposed to their positions, and provided little in the way of revelation.  When it's all said and done (if not already), it will be forgotten and not rise to a footnote.   So yes, quite symbolic, but still largely ineffective.  

I guess you don't realize that you have just made an argument in favor of violence.


The protest was a means of communication.  Those who agree and those who disagree would get the point.

Perhaps Vice President Pence received a message that he might not have if the students relied on Twitter or Facebook posts.  



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