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But Sesame Street would not have been developed without the funding it had in its early years.

I will repeat, in hopes of having Gilgul reply, that cuts to the arts and humanities would be easier to swallow if they were part of a genuine budget balancing plan, and accompanied by cuts to corporate welfare programs. Since they are not, it is obviously just a political jab from the right, which is afraid to bite the corporate hand that feeds it. Cowards.

Tit for tat is just a way to avoid all cuts. Start a thread on corporate subsidies and I will comment on them. I have stated my opinion here that government should not be fuunding arts or broadcasting.

Tit for tat? No way. The way to try to balance the budget is to reexamine everything, and look for the most savings possible. Wasting government time focusing on tiny amounts of money , relatively speaking, is false economy. Go after the big boys first.

You've never explained why though.

It's pretty clear that this nominal support by government contributes greatly to society and the common good.

Why on earth would you object to it?

ETA: and while you rant on about the huge choice of media on cable - there isn't one channel in that vast wasteland that comes close to producing programs as valuable as Frontline. 

Oh, except for the BBC of course.

Gilgul said:

Tit for tat is just a way to avoid all cuts. Start a thread on corporate subsidies and I will comment on them. I have stated my opinion here that government should not be fuunding arts or broadcasting.

I object to the fact that we're even talking about "balancing the budget" (another great con, btw) as a worthwhile goal.

It ranks pretty near the bottom on any list of national priorities, if you ask me.

FilmCarp said:

Tit for tat? No way. The way to try to balance the budget is to reexamine everything, and look for the most savings possible. Wasting government time focusing on tiny amounts of money , relatively speaking, is false economy. Go after the big boys first.

IMHO, PBS and NPR cuts are a result of a desire for ideological purity. Nothing more, nothing less.

HRC had her ideological purity moment when she said on the campaign trail the following: "We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business.”

Satire news shows like the Daily Show make their living on showing policy inconsistencies and lack of ideological consistency.

FilmCarp said:

Tit for tat? No way. The way to try to balance the budget is to reexamine everything, and look for the most savings possible. Wasting government time focusing on tiny amounts of money , relatively speaking, is false economy. Go after the big boys first.

I don't follow the Hillary comment. "Ideological purity"?

RealityForAll said:

IMHO, PBS and NPR cuts are a result of a desire for ideological purity. Nothing more, nothing less.

HRC had her ideological purity moment when she said on the campaign trail the following: "We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business.”

Satire news shows like the Daily Show make their living on showing policy inconsistencies and lack of ideological consistency.

FilmCarp said:

Tit for tat? No way. The way to try to balance the budget is to reexamine everything, and look for the most savings possible. Wasting government time focusing on tiny amounts of money , relatively speaking, is false economy. Go after the big boys first.

Frontline is nothing more than one of dozens of tv magazine shows.

I am at a production of School House Rock because a friend of my daughter is in it.

It was one of the best of all times educational tv shows and was produced by ABC.

If you can't distinguish between Frontline and anything else, my guess is that you also think Miracle Whip tastes like Hellman's Mayonnaise.

Gilgul said:

Frontline is nothing more than one of dozens of tv magazine shows.

I am at a production of School House Rock because a friend of my daughter is in it.

It was one of the best of all times educational tv shows and was produced by ABC.

if you're going to discuss the worth ($$ value) of public broadcaster- produced programming, you must also factor in :

- overseas sales

- broadcast captured beyond your borders either intentionally or otherwise.

The returns to the taxpayer on their investment in these ways are greater than realised because they're rarely discussed -.rarely captured in viewer satisfaction surveys yet known to be highly influential in how others view the general US society, and the basis of a lot of educational programming in many growing communities struggling with modern tech. Yes, they pay for the royalties to broadcast each time a program is shown, and many are shown frequently. (You'd be surprised)

"Don't pay for the Arts" ideology ignores the contributions of those supreme performers such as Jon Gould, Dame Kiri te Kanawa and Noel Tovey who grew up in remote and underprivileged circumstances yet not only had stellar international careers, they taught thousands of others to enjoy, participate and share their talents too. Every citizen is entitled to an equal opportunity to enjoy the best the nation produces: that's how you educate and reward, part of the the "pursuit of happiness". I'm sure you've all heard of that.

None of which necessitates government money.

Db many people prefer Miracle Whip. I would not want government to subsidize mayo.

RealityForAll said:
HRC had her ideological purity moment when she said on the campaign trail the following: "We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business.”

Here are her full remarks, with the most relevant parts in bold. Sounds a lot more informed and compassionate than anything I ever heard from Trump.

Look, we have serious economic problems in many parts of our country. And Roland is absolutely right. Instead of dividing people the way Donald Trump does, let's reunite around policies that will bring jobs and opportunities to all these underserved poor communities.

So for example, I'm the only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country. Because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business, right?

And we're going to make it clear that we don't want to forget those people. Those people labored in those mines for generations, losing their health, often losing their lives to turn on our lights and power our factories.

Now we've got to move away from coal and all the other fossil fuels, but I don't want to move away from the people who did the best they could to produce the energy that we relied on.

So whether it's coal country or Indian country or poor urban areas, there is a lot of poverty in America. We have gone backwards. We were moving in the right direction. In the '90s, more people were lifted out of poverty than any time in recent history.

Because of the terrible economic policies of the Bush administration, President Obama was left with the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, and people fell back into poverty because they lost jobs, they lost homes, they lost opportunities, and hope.

So I am passionate about this, which is why I have put forward specific plans about how we incentivize more jobs, more investment in poor communities, and put people to work.

it might not 'necessitate' government money, government gets a return on its investment many times over.

I do truly enjoy and rely on (and support) public broadcasting, but substitutes (of sorts) and additional funding are available. I'll be glad to chip in a little more.

To me, the BIG item in the OP list is legal services. Are they kidding? What, we'll have justice, but only if you can afford it? This is a critical matter of fundamental rights, and of enforcing contracts and standards, eg in landlord-tenant disputes. People's freedom, and even their lives would be at risk. Holy ****.

I'm not talking about whether anyone likes it or not.

I'm talking about your level of discernment when comparing PBS against cable.

Gilgul said:

Db many people prefer Miracle Whip. I would not want government to subsidize mayo.

drummerboy said:

I'm not talking about whether anyone likes it or not.

I'm talking about your level of discernment when comparing PBS against cable.

maplewood.worldwebs.com/profile/discussions/u/Gilgul">Gilgul said:

Db many people prefer Miracle Whip. I would not want government to subsidize mayo.

No one can say if Miracle Whip or Mayo is better. It is personal taste. Same with shows on PBS compared with anything else. Except the anything else does not have tax money. 

I'm not saying either is better.

Jesus.

I'm saying you can't tell the difference between two things that are ostensibly similar, but actually are quite different.

There is not one regular series on cable, or American broadcast TV, that compares to Frontline. Not one.

That, is a meaningful data point.

Gilgul said:

drummerboy said:

I'm not talking about whether anyone likes it or not.

I'm talking about your level of discernment when comparing PBS against cable.

Gilgul said:

Db many people prefer Miracle Whip. I would not want government to subsidize mayo.

No one can say if Miracle Whip or Mayo is better. It is personal taste. Same with shows on PBS compared with anything else. Except the anything else does not have tax money.

So says you.

my brother's son won 14 emmies during his film editing career, mostly on Sesame St. He died a year ago. My kids and grandkids were enthralled with channel 13. I have such pleasant memories of our youngest grand child falling asleep watching "Angelina Ballerina."

I watch DA and almost all of the British comedy and detective series - love them all! Love Nova and Nature and concerts, etc

I loath PBS' cup-rattling self promotion fund raising!! I do donate to the station and have the tote bags to prove it,

Do you believe PBS does not waste money anywhere? What business can't find areas where costs can be trimmed and improve services as well?

There is one area where I have found the station to lack awareness. While I like Charle Rose interviews, its news coverage is slanted toward the left to the extreme. There is no room for opinions other than theirs.

I have been a fan since the '60s and a supporting member. We "others" count, too -- I don't think the station really understands that the red states want to be not just heard, but listened to as well.

That attitude is how President Trump wound up in the WH!

Gilgul said:

I am at a production of School House Rock because a friend of my daughter is in it.

It was one of the best of all times educational tv shows and was produced by ABC.

It was catchy Madison Avenue cleverness, which I enjoyed as much as any 10-year-old, and still admire. As an impressionable child, however, I learned more from "The Great American Dream Machine."

Gilgul said:

No one can say if Miracle Whip or Mayo is better. It is personal taste. Same with shows on PBS compared with anything else. Except the anything else does not have tax money.

Hey! (Interjection.) That's exactly how "America Rocks" put it: "If you don't like something, son, you don't have to pay for it. That's what makes this country great."

DaveSchmidt said:

Gilgul">Gilgul said:

No one can say if Miracle Whip or Mayo is better. It is personal taste. Same with shows on PBS compared with anything else. Except the anything else does not have tax money.

Hey! (Interjection.) That's exactly how "America Rocks" put it: "If you don't like something, son, you don't have to pay for it. That's what makes this country great."

Like Obamacare?

oh, geez. I loved that show. I wonder if there are any videos of it?

DaveSchmidt said:


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It was catchy Madison Avenue cleverness, which I enjoyed as much as any 10-year-old, and still admire. As an impressionable child, however, I learned more from "The Great American Dream Machine."

um, the R's are not talking about "trimming costs". They're talking about eliminating it.

You know them, they're the people you've been voting for your whole life.

mtierney said:

my brother's son won 14 emmies during his film editing career, mostly on Sesame St. He died a year ago. My kids and grandkids were enthralled with channel 13. I have such pleasant memories of our youngest grand child falling asleep watching "Angelina Ballerina."

I watch DA and almost all of the British comedy and detective series - love them all! Love Nova and Nature and concerts, etc

I loath PBS' cup-rattling self promotion fund raising!! I do donate to the station and have the tote bags to prove it,

Do you believe PBS does not waste money anywhere? What business can't find areas where costs can be trimmed and improve services as well?

There is one area where I have found the station to lack awareness. While I like Charle Rose interviews, its news coverage is slanted toward the left to the extreme. There is no room for opinions other than theirs.

I have been a fan since the '60s and a supporting member. We "others" count, too -- I don't think the station really understands that the red states want to be not just heard, but listened to as well.

That attitude is how President Trump wound up in the WH!

Please provide details on what "corporate welfare programs" that you would like to have dismantled, diminished or eliminated?

FilmCarp said:

I will repeat, in hopes of having Gilgul reply, that cuts to the arts and humanities would be easier to swallow if they were part of a genuine budget balancing plan, and accompanied by cuts to corporate welfare programs. Since they are not, it is obviously just a political jab from the right, which is afraid to bite the corporate hand that feeds it. Cowards.

PBS is pocket change. It is an ideological issue as evidenced by Gilgul.

Why is no one talking about the 800lb gorilla in the room. All of our budget issues can be traced to the DoD.

https://www.thestreet.com/story/14047105/1/trump-s-budget-repeals-defense-sequestration-adds-52-billion-to-dod-budget.html