New Construction in South Orange

cramer said:

There are three Master Plan Workshops this week - the first is this evening at 7:00 pm  You can access the Zoom link at  SOMasterplan.com.  

 http://southorange.org/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=2019


To dust off an age-old MOL term: "Thank-y" 


cramer said:

South Orange has the 12th highest taxes in the state. 

12. South Orange

South Orange Village, Essex County saw an average property tax bill of $18,657, which was $303 higher than the average bill in 2018.

https://www.nj.com/politics/2020/03/here-are-the-30-nj-towns-with-the-highest-property-taxes.html

"Collum said that the $1.3M land acquisition had helped the Village to “plug its deficit” this year as the township say a loss of $1.8M in revenue due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

“Most importantly these redevelopment projects are going to fund our capital projects” including the Baird Center and the library renovations, while enabling the Village to keep tax increases low."

https://villagegreennj.com/towns/south-orange/south-orange-approves-25-year-phased-tax-abatement-for-vose-avenue-project/


Juniemoon said:

cramer said:

There are three Master Plan Workshops this week - the first is this evening at 7:00 pm  You can access the Zoom link at  SOMasterplan.com.  

 http://southorange.org/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=2019


To dust off an age-old MOL term: "Thank-y" 

You're welcome. 


Juniemoon said:

CORRECT!!!  Ding, ding,  ding!
  
When they were building 3rd & Valley, everyone I asked assured me "the traffic study had been done, was fine and I didn't need to see it -- and, people who live in apartments and commute by train would not need cars (or would only have one car)"   After the fact, they had to add the turning lane on 3rd St that someone must have overlooked..

Does that lot serve both residents and the public? I believe that was the plan but not sure if it remained so.

Wasn't there a rumor for a while that they were going to have to do major construction (or tear down) the building because there weren't enough parking spaces?  I only have vague memories.  Maybe one of you remembers better than me.  

It still gnaws at me that, with population staying the same or declining for so many years, we still need all this additional housing.  Is it a "If we build it, they will come" situation?  Would love to know more about who's leaving and why.

You seemed to understand that household size is smaller. Seems to follow that each single family house is housing fewer people because family sizes are smaller. More spare rooms now. And both Mom and Dad have a car, perhaps teens and young adults living at home do as well.

Yes, the Third Street Garage is for both the apartments and public parking.

No tear down of Third and Valley was ever contemplated. The loading dock on Third street was poorly designed and gets little use. Trucks seem to unload primarily on the street rather than backing into the loading dock.

The overall population is increasing, not stable or declining. People need places to live. If we don’t build housing here, sprawl continues. Yes, if we build it, they will come. “They” need a roof over their head just like you and me.


cramer said:

You're welcome. 

Can't find my way to the meeting,  Will jeep trying.


cramer said:

You're welcome. 

 I'm getting an "invalid name" response, if I'm even in the right place.  The Thursday mtg I'd like to see, but I may have a commitment that night.  Perhaps these will show up in "archived meetings" after they happen


Juniemoon said:

cramer said:

You're welcome. 

Can't find my way to the meeting,  Will jeep trying.

 You can get it on Facebook, South Orange Village. 


Juniemoon said:

 I'm getting an "invalid name" response, if I'm even in the right place.  The Thursday mtg I'd like to see, but I may have a commitment that night.  Perhaps these will show up in "archived meetings" after they happen

 I was in the meeting for the first 90 mins. iPad battery died and then when I tried to re-login, there were too many participants. 

They’re recording the meeting, will definitely be available.


jimmurphy said:

 I was in the meeting for the first 90 mins. iPad battery died and then when I tried to re-login, there were too many participants. 

They’re recording the meeting, will definitely be available.

 Ah, you've reminded me of how much trouble I used to have staying awake through the FIRST 90 minutes -- even moreso during the second or third 90 of those meetings.  Thanks to you and Cramer for the leads.  I'll check it out.


I just got a very glossy flyer in the mail for "The Mignote on Second."

"The epitome of Luxury Urban Living in South Orange, NJ"

I think it's the new development next to the Wells Fargo Bank.  Based on my quick research, this building has exactly one "affordable" unit.


yahooyahoo - You live in Maplewood. I would never presume to tell Maplewood what to do. 

Yeah - I know, now you're going to tell us about the schools. Have at it. 


I don't think that building has a Pilot.  Full tax bill.


FilmCarp said:

I don't think that building has a Pilot.  Full tax bill.

I looked back over the history of the project and there is no PILOT - it pays full taxes. It wasn't a redevlopment plan. 

btw - The building has 8 units, 1 affordable unit - and no PILOT. That's pretty good. 

I woud recommend to anybody who didn't watch the Master Plan presentation last night look at it when it's up for viewing on the Village website . Listen to Sheena's comments at the end of the session when she talks about affordable housing. I'll try to post the link to it when it's up. 

I recommend that people look at the entire presentation. What South Orange has done has never been done before in coming up with a Master Plan - South Orange offered the opportunity to every single person in town who wanted to participate and provide ideas the opportunity to do so, through neignborhood association meeting, town halls, surveys - every possible way to be involved. It's never been done. 


cramer said:

I looked back over the history of the project and there is no PILOT - it pays full taxes. It wasn't a redevlopment plan. 

btw - The building has 8 units, 1 affordable unit - and no PILOT. That's pretty good. 

I woud recommend to anybody who didn't watch the Master Plan presentation last night look at it when it's up for viewing on the Village website . Listen to Sheena's comments at the end of the session when she talks about affordable housing. I'll try to post the link to it when it's up. 

I recommend that people look at the entire presentation. What South Orange has done has never been done before in coming up with a Master Plan - South Orange offered the opportunity to every single person in town who wanted to participate and provide ideas the opportunity to do so, through neignborhood association meeting, town halls, surveys - every possible way to be involved. It's never been done. 

We have the best Master Plan in the history of Master Plans.  Nobody has ever seen a Master Plan that is as glorious as ours! People are saying, I didn’t think you could do it, and it was difficult, but we did!

Sorry, Cramer, couldn’t resist. ;-)


Ouch!

Tonight: 7:00 pm - Mobility Element Overview 

Register at this link or you can go to Facebook, South Orange Village 

https://somasterplan.com/event/south-orange-master-plan-mobility-element-overview?instance_id=96


cramer said:

yahooyahoo - You live in Maplewood. I would never presume to tell Maplewood what to do. 

Yeah - I know, now you're going to tell us about the schools. Have at it. 

Not just a unified school district, but also a unified fire department.

You may not like it, but what happens in one town affects the other town.  I'm also critical of Maplewood's love for giving away tax abatements to rich developers that don't need them.


For anybody who missed the first two Master Plan presentations, they're on Facebook, South Orange Village. 

@jimmurphy - If you watched last night, Sheena called it "the Master Plan of all master plans."  grin


cramer said:

For anybody who missed the first two Master Plan presentations, they're on Facebook, South Orange Village. 

@jimmurphy - If you watched last night, Sheena called it "the Master Plan of all master plans." 
grin

I watched the recording this morning and heard that!  She is justifiably proud! It's a nice document.

If you were involved in providing input, thank you. 

I'm going to PM you with some thoughts/questions.


Jimmurphy - I wasn't involved but a lot of people were. They deserve to be proud. I was just so impressed with what I saw of the Master Plan - it's exciting, and South Orange is going to be an exciting and interesting place in the future. 

eta - But please PM me. 



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