Menendez Jury Deadlocked


Klinker said:



EricBurbank said:

And yes I know she was not a real soldier, my comment was referring to the fact that he showed no respect for the woman and the fact that she was dressed as a soldier would imply the lack of respect for women in the armed forces. 

This just plain doesn't make any sense. 

Would he have done it had she not been wearing fatigues?  Would it have been the same laugh he was going for? 

I don't think so. 



yahooyahoo said:

Menendez would have appealed any guilty verdict and Christie never would have the chance to appoint a replacement.
Scully said:



Formerlyjerseyjack said:

Dems dodged a bullet on this one.

Actually the entire state dodged a bullet.  Imagine what piece of **** Christie would have appointed...

An appeal has nothing to with the senate voting to expel Menendez. 

And the senate is now reopening the ethics query on him. They can still vote to expel based on Menendez violating senate ethical standard.  



lord_pabulum said:

Based on the posts above, Klinker and drummerboy excuse unethical and inappropriate behavior when the perpetrators are democrats.  

Can you be more specific because I am pretty sure that, as far as I am concerned, you are incorrect?



drummerboy said:

Some of us look at the entirety of what Mr. Franken has done in his life (as far as we know of him anyway).

Then we need to decide which is close to the "real"  Franken.

Is he defined by this stupid incident, or by the years of good works and positive contributions?


For some people it's hard to figure that out. For Franken, if you know anything about him, it's not hard.

Again, do the same thing with Moore. You should (I hope) come up with a quite different result.


If you don't, well, that's a problem.

You ask about a Republican - I'll tell you what. If Moore had just come out and said "You know, as a younger man I had a liking for younger women. Maybe in retrospect some of my behavior was a mistake. And I never did anything illegal. blah blah blah", I wouldn't be holding these past incidents against him very much. Because in the totality of who Moore is, it's kind of minor - but only because the horror of him is so great.


Instead, scum that he is, he tried to lie his way out of it. And he turned what could have been a small problem into a huge one that might actually blow what should have been a sure win.  Not only is he evil, he's stupid.


Anyway, there's a big difference between Moore and Franken, and none of it has to do with political party. It's obvious that one is a good honest man, and the other, not so much.

EricBurbank said:

I am quite aware of the difference.  However, that he would take a photo of doing something degrading to women and think it is funny is a problem.

And yes I know she was not a real soldier, my comment was referring to the fact that he showed no respect for the woman and the fact that she was dressed as a soldier would imply the lack of respect for women in the armed forces. 

Can you assure me that if Franken was a Republican he would get the same pass from you?

So the end justifies the means?  Because we agree with most of Franken's views and actions we should just look passed this?

I would think that is exactly how Moore's supporters feel.  They believe these allegations should not overshadow what he has done in the past.  There lies my point of party affiliations clouding your judgement on issues like these.

Also, I hope your comment about looking at Moore's actions a little different had he admitted liking young women in his younger years was just to try to prove your point and that you do know that one of these "younger women" was a child.

Otherwise what you are saying is, if Moore was more in line with your political views and he had admitted to touching a child you would be ok with that?


For the record, I would not be more forgiving of Moore if he had previously admitted to being a pedophile.  

Call me crazy, but I just wouldn't.



lord_pabulum said:

Based on the posts above, Klinker and drummerboy excuse unethical and inappropriate behavior when the perpetrators are democrats.  

I didn’t see that at all! 

Which post???


I am glad to hear this. 

Klinker said:

For the record, I would not be more forgiving of Moore if he had previously admitted to being a pedophile.  

Call me crazy, but I just wouldn't.



I do not remember anyone on MOL defending Anthony Weiner, but I could be wrong.

The allegations against Roy Moore by the woman who was 14  years old at the time is in a different category from all the other matters which have been discussed here.




BG9 said:

And the senate is now reopening the ethics query on him. They can still vote to expel based on Menendez violating senate ethical standard.  

It's possible, but the steam is out of any expulsion effort because a two-thirds vote would be required and without a conviction it would be tough to shame Democrats into voting out a colleague. Besides, there's no potential gain for Republicans now. They hoped that a conviction would occur soon enough that a potential expulsion could be pushed while Christie was still governor.  

Frankly, for a Democrat, Menendez is pretty popular among Senate Republicans. He broke with President Obama on Iran and Cuba. Lindsey Graham even testified as a character witness for him.


Expulsion requires 2/3 of Senate to approve.  Wouldn't happen.

All Menendez needs to do is hang out until Phil Murphy takes office and then he can resign.

BG9 said:



yahooyahoo said:

Menendez would have appealed any guilty verdict and Christie never would have the chance to appoint a replacement.
Scully said:



Formerlyjerseyjack said:

Dems dodged a bullet on this one.

Actually the entire state dodged a bullet.  Imagine what piece of **** Christie would have appointed...

An appeal has nothing to with the senate voting to expel Menendez. 

And the senate is now reopening the ethics query on him. They can still vote to expel based on Menendez violating senate ethical standard.  



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