Loose Lips - Uh Oh. Special Prosecutor appointed.


drummerboy said:

this is your response?

wow.

paulsurovell said:

I guess McMaster has become a Putin stooge.

Tonight's story reminds me of WaPo's bombshell that Russia hacked the electric grid.

Here's a good tongue-in-cheek swipe at what Seymour Hersh calls the "crazy town" reporting on Russia:

To me he's become an irrelevant joke. I now skip over his posts. They are time wasters.


Never.  I have given up all hope.  There is nothing he can do that will end this **** show.


Our only hope is that Trump forgets to take his statins.  His belly's been expanding; he's visibly stretching out of his suits, he's a regular Coca-Cola soda hound (39 grams of sugar per 12 ounce can) and his exercise is golf-carting and walking to and from Air Force/Marine One to the motorcade ride.  My money's on the acute myocardial infarction kicking in before Congress gets around to taking action.




Relax folks...Obama

Laura Ingraham suggested that the people who leaked the story were Obama loyalists seeking to stir up drama. “I have a feeling it’s the Obama folks and this is more troublemaking,” she said.

The host, Washington correspondent James Rosen, piled on with leading questions. He asked Juan Williams: “Is it possible, Juan, that what we have might be a case where people in the intelligence community opposed to Donald Trump are being tendentious and leaking something to the Washington Post that doesn't quite check out?”



DottyParker said:

Our only hope is that Trump forgets to take his statins.  His belly's been expanding; he's visibly stretching out of his suits, he's a regular Coca-Cola soda hound (39 grams of sugar per 12 ounce can) and his exercise is golf-carting and walking to and from Air Force/Marine One to the motorcade ride.  My money's on the acute myocardial infarction kicking in before Congress gets around to taking action.

Hey, I've been listening to giant obese blowhard Rush Limbaugh blow gaskets for a while, hoping he'd keel over. No such luck.


McMaster: "The president wasn’t even aware of where this information came from.”

*mic drop*


For once, an excuse we can all agree is plausible.

dave23 said:

McMaster: "The president wasn’t even aware of where this information came from.”

*mic drop*



McMaster just stated in a live press conference that Trump was never told the source of the information.

Talk about throwing gasoline on a dumpster fire. 

paulsurovell said:


South_Mountaineer said:

It would have been more reassuring if McMaster's denial had fewer words, like "Nothing classified was disclosed".  Instead he was specific in describing types of information which was not disclosed.

McMaster's statement. Has it been published by WaPo or the NY Times? I couldn't find it.

The primary claim against Trump is that what he said could reveal a source. McMaster and the others in the room deny that. It appears that the media is doing far more to reveal the source than what was said in the meeting.


H.R. MCMASTER: I just have a brief statement for the record. There is
nothing that the president takes more seriously than the security of the
American people. The story that came out tonight as reported is false.
The president of the foreign minister reviewed a range of common threats
to our two countries, including threats to civil aviation. At no time,
at no time, were intelligence sources or methods discussed.
The
president did not disclose any military operations that were not already
publicly known. Two other senior officials who were present, including
the secretary of the state, remember the meeting the same way and have
said so. Going on the record should outweigh the anonymous sources. I
was in the room. It didn’t happen. Thanks, everybody. [Fox News, The Story, 5/15/17]
https://www.mediamatters.org/r...



This is all missing the point, no? If you know the location and nature of the information, any intelligence agency worth its salt can figure out the source on its own. Just because Trump can't fill out a sudoku puzzle with one square left blank doesn't mean the Russians are equally incompetent.



PVW said:

This is all missing the point, no? If you know the location and nature of the information, any intelligence agency worth its salt can figure out the source on its own. Just because Trump can't fill out a sudoku puzzle with one square left blank doesn't mean the Russians are equally incompetent.

McMaster is just confirming everything without explicitly saying so.


From now on Trump's intelligence briefings should be composed of less text and mostly brightly colored pictures and maps -- what he asked for in the first place.  Since POTUS is now perceived as a threat to national security, I don't doubt that Trump will be closely monitored by the intelligence agencies in order to protect the republic from harm by hostile nation states.  Who would have ever thought we'd come to this unthinkable state of affairs?  


theatlantic.com:  What Happens when Intelligence Agencies Lose Faith in the President

https://www.theatlantic.com/po...


Meantime if you consume conservative media you'll get a story on Vince Foster this am on Fox and this crazy conspiracy theory about Seth Rich everywhere else. More and more it's like this recent season of Homeland.


And now the repercussions begin:


www.vocativ.com:  Israelis Nervous about Sharing Intel with Trump after Russia Gaffe

http://www.vocativ.com/430141/...


It was Israeli-obtained information that Trump shared with the Russians. It was just announced by MSNBC.



fairplay said:

It was Israeli-obtained information that Trump shared with the Russians. It was just announced by MSNBC.

I am not surprised. I always figure that they have the best intel.



DottyParker said:

From now on Trump's intelligence briefings should be composed of less text and mostly brightly colored pictures and maps -- what he asked for in the first place.  Since POTUS is now perceived as a threat to national security, I don't doubt that Trump will be closely monitored by the intelligence agencies in order to protect the republic from harm by hostile nation states.  Who would have ever thought we'd come to this unthinkable state of affairs?  





Who?

How about anyone who watched Trump for more than a few minutes. The problem is that once he won everyone began deluding themselves that he was something other than what we clearly knew him to be.



LOST said:



fairplay said:

It was Israeli-obtained information that Trump shared with the Russians. It was just announced by MSNBC.

I am not surprised. I always figure that they have the best intel.

Yes. And if Israel wanted the Russians to have this info they could easily have given it to them directly.

Instead, we have the man-boy in the oval office trying to the be relevant and impressive. The to the Russians of "I know something you don't know. Here it is. Am I not the greatest?" 

A schmuck, indeed.


apparently he said to them "I get great intel. I have people brief me on great intel every day."

BG9 said:



LOST said:



fairplay said:

It was Israeli-obtained information that Trump shared with the Russians. It was just announced by MSNBC.

I am not surprised. I always figure that they have the best intel.

Yes. And if Israel wanted the Russians to have this info they could easily have given it to them directly.

Instead, we have the man-boy in the oval office trying to the be relevant and impressive. The to the Russians of "I know something you don't know. Here it is. Am I not the greatest?" 

A schmuck, indeed.



A post in this thread, from late Monday -

paulsurovell said:

I guess McMaster has become a Putin stooge.

Tonight's story reminds me of WaPo's bombshell that Russia hacked the electric grid.

Here's a good tongue-in-cheek swipe at what Seymour Hersh calls the "crazy town" reporting on Russia:

In less than 24 hours, things went from "snarkable" dismissal to (I'm paraphrasing what the status is) - "Yes he did it, but he has a right to do it."  It's amazing how fast the news cycle spins with Trump as President.

Post edited to add:  And this isn't anything like the "WaPo's bombshell that Russia hacked the electric grid" story, once one actually looks at the story (thanks for providing more details about the reference, in the thread about the phony Fox claim about murder and the DNC).


Ok so the President apparently has the right to say whatever he wants. But McMaster said Trump told the intelligence at the spur of the moment. That to me is the real issue. Yes sometimes intelligence is strategically shared. But that needs to be discussed and planned out down to the last detail in advance. Never spur of the moment. 


If there were any kind of believable conspiracy theory alleging DJT is being set up by nefarious groups, then said groups would have also found a way to try to oust the first President of color and smear his legacy. 

The Obama Administration had a very competent, intelligent leader and very competent and intelligent people surrounding him in case of error. DJT has none of that and, c'mon, he's no Rhodes Scholar (like Bill Clinton!). DJT is the one who is causing his own problems. He's the one most likely leaking. He's the dude who is so damn happy about becoming president, that to impress the cool kids, he says and does things he should not do. Also, it never helps that he simply doesn't understand how gov't works and how the levels of gov't work. 

Mix that all together with he most likely does suffer from some type of mental illness, he's not well read and he is incredibly paranoid and calls one of the biggest radio jock conspiratist as his friend = possible impeachment for obstruction of justice but not for being ill prepared to be president. 


So DOJ has appointed former FBI Director Robert Mueller as Special Prosecutor (or Counsel? what's the difference?) .

Trump is in some trouble here.

Yay.


A PROSECUTOR is appointed when there's evidence of a crime. Counsel is when there's no evidence of criminality....yet.



drummerboy said:

... as Special Prosecutor (or Counsel? what's the difference?) 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0...



paulsurovell said:

I guess McMaster has become a Putin stooge.

Tonight's story reminds me of WaPo's bombshell that Russia hacked the electric grid.

Here's a good tongue-in-cheek swipe at what Seymour Hersh calls the "crazy town" reporting on Russia:

It makes me sad that you now sound like those guys on WABC radio.



max_weisenfeld said:



paulsurovell said:

I guess McMaster has become a Putin stooge.

Tonight's story reminds me of WaPo's bombshell that Russia hacked the electric grid.

Here's a good tongue-in-cheek swipe at what Seymour Hersh calls the "crazy town" reporting on Russia:

It makes me sad that you now sound like those guys on WABC radio.

In another thread he actually gave, as a backup to his POV, a link to newsbusters.


Trump is going to need diapers.



drummerboy said:

So DOJ has appointed former FBI Director Robert Mueller as Special Prosecutor (or Counsel? what's the difference?) .

Trump is in some trouble here.

Yay.

If were Trump I would be concerned about any Special Prosecutor whose nickname is "Bobby Three-Sticks."   grrr 


taskandpurpose.com:  Robert Mueller Has A Decorated Combat Record As A Marine Who Fought In Vietnam

http://taskandpurpose.com/robe...


This is great interview with a friend of Comey's. A bit long but worth it.



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