Dear Vladimir: "It's Mueller Time"

  Bernie's a neoliberal pushing fake news to excuse Hillary. SAD. 

cramer said:



cramer said:

"It has been clear to everyone (except Donald Trump) that Russia was deeply involved in the 2016 election and intends to be involved in 2018. It is the American people who should be deciding the political future of our country, not Mr. Putin and the Russian oligarchs." 

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/964596068435595264

Bernie Sanders on Meet the Press yesterday:

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/full-sanders-interview-obama-was-in-a-difficult-position-on-russia-1164410435646


eta - Do @paulsurovell and @nan still maintain that Russia didn't interfere in the election?



Russia knew Trump was going to run for president. This tweet was made by @AferovaYulyaE, a woman with strong connections to the Kremlin, in 2014. Russia's "information warfare" campaign began shortly after this. 

https://twitter.com/EdKrassen/status/964923652285325312


I have the samovar that my grandparents brought with them from Russia - it looks like the one pictured in @AlferovaYulyaE's retweet. Our son has spent a lot of time in Russia and speaks fluent Russian. He was able to translate the marks on the samovar and where it was made. 

https://twitter.com/AlferovaYulyaE/with_replies?lang=en



South_Mountaineer said:

  Bernie's a neoliberal pushing fake news to excuse Hillary. SAD. 
cramer said:



cramer said:

"It has been clear to everyone (except Donald Trump) that Russia was deeply involved in the 2016 election and intends to be involved in 2018. It is the American people who should be deciding the political future of our country, not Mr. Putin and the Russian oligarchs." 

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/964596068435595264

Bernie Sanders on Meet the Press yesterday:

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/full-sanders-interview-obama-was-in-a-difficult-position-on-russia-1164410435646


eta - Do @paulsurovell and @nan still maintain that Russia didn't interfere in the election?

Very sad to see Bernie going on and on about Russia.  I have no idea why.  Perhaps he has a good reason. I never said the Russians did not interfere with our election.  Powerful countries often interfere with elections in other countries.  The US has interfered with many foreign elections.  What I said was there was no proof that they had and that people were ignoring the massive corruption that occurred in the DNC and Republican voter suppression, etc.  I think we have so much wrong with our voting system right out in the open that hunting for hidden Russian influence is a diversion.  Also, the obsession with getting rid of Trump.  Trump is not different than other Republicans who would replace him.  They are all horrible.  Best thing to do is to come up with an exciting platform that actually gets voters excited about getting off the couch and getting to the polls.  Something that will directly improve their lives like a living wage, affordable healthcare or free college.  Russiagate makes very little difference to the lives of ordinary people.


Hillary's platform DID move in the direction of a living wage, affordable healthcare and free college. Trump's did the opposite -- against minimum wage laws, repeal Obamacare, ratchet up the pressure on student borrowers. What's the point of coming up with a better platform, if voters are going to be suppressed and a foreign power is going to be given the latitude to meddle in the election? 

Whatever the DNC did is the sideshow. I know Bernie and his supporters are unhappy, but most candidates in the primaries do in fact go home before the general election. I'm not aware of any math that gives him the nomination. 



cramer said:

I have the samovar that my grandparents brought with them from Russia - it looks like the one pictured in @AlferovaYulyaE's retweet. Our son has spent a lot of time in Russia and speaks fluent Russian. He was able to translate the marks on the samovar and where it was made. 

https://twitter.com/AlferovaYulyaE/with_replies?lang=en

I have mine too, brought over by my gandparents.



peaceinourtime said:



cramer said:

I have the samovar that my grandparents brought with them from Russia - it looks like the one pictured in @AlferovaYulyaE's retweet. Our son has spent a lot of time in Russia and speaks fluent Russian. He was able to translate the marks on the samovar and where it was made. 

https://twitter.com/AlferovaYulyaE/with_replies?lang=en

I have mine too, brought over by my gandparents.

And Shabbat candlesticks.


Read the book, "Shattered" by Jonathan Allen & Amie Parnes.  Hillary ran a horrible campaign with no message and she blew it big time.  She did not even bother to campaign in Wisconsin and ignored organized labor.  She was tone deaf and out of touch.  It was not the Russians.  The DNC wants you to think it was the Russians because they just want to continue with the same losing strategy.  That way the donors and the consultants get paid.


"Ari Melber legal ace Nick Akerman says indictment cites "Russian SWAT team" coming into US "posing as tourists" to "throw election to Trump." In addition to the absurd claim, he didn't realize indictment's reference to Russians traveling to US was for 2014"

https://twitter.com/paulsurovell/status/965684805529690112


cramer said:    

Russia knew Trump was going to run for president. This tweet was made by @AferovaYulyaE, a woman with strong connections to the Kremlin, in January,2014. Russia's "information warfare" campaign began shortly after this. 




https://twitter.com/EdKrassen/status/964923652285325312

eta - Alferova Yulya profile: Advisor to Minister of Economic Development of the Russian Federation



nan said:

Read the book, "Shattered" by Jonathan Allen & Amie Parnes.  Hillary ran a horrible campaign with no message and she blew it big time.  She did not even bother to campaign in Wisconsin and ignored organized labor.  She was tone deaf and out of touch.  It was not the Russians.  The DNC wants you to think it was the Russians because they just want to continue with the same losing strategy.  That way the donors and the consultants get paid.

I don't believe it was the Russians. It was Comey, taking labor for granted, campaigning in the wrong states, Jill Stein, Bernie Backers, voter suppression ... AND the Russians. 

Being highly skilled at walking and chewing gum at the same time, I can advocate for fixing all of this without having to select just one. 



tom said:



nan said:

Read the book, "Shattered" by Jonathan Allen & Amie Parnes.  Hillary ran a horrible campaign with no message and she blew it big time.  She did not even bother to campaign in Wisconsin and ignored organized labor.  She was tone deaf and out of touch.  It was not the Russians.  The DNC wants you to think it was the Russians because they just want to continue with the same losing strategy.  That way the donors and the consultants get paid.

I don't believe it was the Russians. It was Comey, taking labor for granted, campaigning in the wrong states, Jill Stein, Bernie Backers, voter suppression ... AND the Russians. 

Being highly skilled at walking and chewing gum at the same time, I can advocate for fixing all of this without having to select just one. 

It was also letting Hillary buy the nomination from the get go.  There were better choices.


you need to stop saying this. People who know better think it's kind of loony.

You've never explained how she bought the nomination. Which states did she win that she shouldn't have?

nan said:


It was also letting Hillary buy the nomination from the get go.  There were better choices.




cramer said:



peaceinourtime said:



cramer said:

I have the samovar that my grandparents brought with them from Russia - it looks like the one pictured in @AlferovaYulyaE's retweet. Our son has spent a lot of time in Russia and speaks fluent Russian. He was able to translate the marks on the samovar and where it was made. 

https://twitter.com/AlferovaYulyaE/with_replies?lang=en

I have mine too, brought over by my gandparents.

And Shabbat candlesticks.

No, but  materials from my grandfather's Bar Mitzvah in England. 


Perhaps the Democratic Party should be pressed to get rid of super delegates.


Hillary won more elected delegates, before even counting super delegates. 

Morganna said:

Perhaps the Democratic Party should be pressed to get rid of super delegates.




South_Mountaineer said:

Hillary won more elected delegates, before even counting super delegates. 
Morganna said:

Perhaps the Democratic Party should be pressed to get rid of super delegates.

Just thinking of changes I would like to see. Not saying she wouldn't have won. Not saying I didn't want her to be the candidate, I'm just bothered by the concept.

I'm also always repeating that I hate the fact that New Jersey, New York and California have no real say in the Primaries. I wonder if Trump would have been the Republican candidate if the Primaries were held on the same day.

I've read that the Primaries are spread out for financial reasons. The candidates can not campaign everywhere at once so the Party decides on the Primary dates. We are left with the candidates that states with completely different needs have chosen. Why not pressure our Parties to move our dates up so that we are relevant.



South_Mountaineer said:

Hillary won more elected delegates, before even counting super delegates. 
Morganna said:

Perhaps the Democratic Party should be pressed to get rid of super delegates.

But the superdels gave  her a head start of 571 votes, which took most of the media spotlight off of Bernie's message.



dave said:



South_Mountaineer said:

Hillary won more elected delegates, before even counting super delegates. 
Morganna said:

Perhaps the Democratic Party should be pressed to get rid of super delegates.

But the superdels gave  her a head start of 571 votes, which took most of the media spotlight off of Bernie's message.

"Lack of media spotlight" didn't seem to be his problem. 


no it didn't. The media could give a crap about super-delegates. They'll use whatever makes a horse race. That's all they care about. And if anyone's message got un-spotlighted, it was Hillary's.


dave said:



South_Mountaineer said:

Hillary won more elected delegates, before even counting super delegates. 
Morganna said:

Perhaps the Democratic Party should be pressed to get rid of super delegates.

But the superdels gave  her a head start of 571 votes, which took most of the media spotlight off of Bernie's message.

In a nutshell - why Hillary lost. (Comey aside)


Meanwhile, back on topic -

Special Counsel Robert Mueller has charged the son-in-law of a Russian oligarch with lying to his office about communications with other indicted individuals.

Alex van der Zwaan, an attorney and the son-in-law of Russian billionaire German Khan, faces charges of making false statements. The charges were dated Feb. 16 but unsealed Tuesday. He is expected to plead guilty in court Tuesday afternoon.

Van der Zwaan allegedly lied to Mueller's office last November about when and how he communicated with Rick Gates, the former Trump campaign aide who was indicted last fall.

Mueller's office alleges that Van der Zwaan failed to disclose conversations he had with Gates and another person, and deleted emails that were sought by the office.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Mueller-Charges-Son-in-Law-of-Russian-Oligarch-Alex-van-der-Zwaan-474579893.html

The documentation -

https://lawfareblog.com/document-alex-van-der-zwaan-information


"Van der Zwaan is married to the daughter of German Khan, a Russian oligarch who is suing research firm Fusion GPS over a dossier alleging salacious and unverified ties between President Donald Trump and Russia."

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/20/mueller-charges-attorney-with-lying-to-the-fbi.html

With Rick Gates reportedly set to agree to a plea deal and testify against Manafort, this is getting interesting. 



"Anyway, here's the gist of my argument about how the conspiracy to defraud applies to Manafort and gets right to the heart of Trump campaign. He was pretending to run a campaign for US when in fact repping RU interests."

https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/965924891466846209



cramer said:

"Anyway, here's the gist of my argument about how the conspiracy to defraud applies to Manafort and gets right to the heart of Trump campaign. He was pretending to run a campaign for US when in fact repping RU interests."



https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/965924891466846209

That makes Trump a victim of Manafort.



LOST said:



cramer said:

"Anyway, here's the gist of my argument about how the conspiracy to defraud applies to Manafort and gets right to the heart of Trump campaign. He was pretending to run a campaign for US when in fact repping RU interests."



https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/965924891466846209

That makes Trump a victim of Manafort.

Possibly - but there's this: 

"All speculation aside, however, the Mueller investigation will follow its own path, and Ukrainian authorities will have to finesse any negative reactions emanating from Washington. “Manafort previously worked for a man who looted Ukraine,” said one Ukrainian politician closely following developments in D.C. and Kiev, speaking on condition of anonymity. “Trump, as a serious person, should have recognized this risk when he hired him.”

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/07/paul-manafort-indictment-kiev-russia-215798

eta - Manafort was working as a volunteer - maybe Trump should have asked why. 



Not sure the Ukrainian source is quite accurate saying "a serious person," though maybe he's trying to smooth some feathers, or elicit the quality he's naming...


Below is a link to Marci Wheeler's (https://www.emptywheel.net/) interview on Democracy Now, in which she discusses the 13 indictments handed down last Friday and the reported plea deal of Rick Gates. I've followed her for a long time and think that she is the most objective person writing about Trump/Russia. (She even agrees with Glenn Greenwald at times and does so in this interview.) It begins at around 11:30 and goes to 31:00. 

@LOST - At around 28:30, she talk about the Conspiracy to Defraud the United States charge,  which she thinks is the backbone of the Manafort and Internet Research Agency indictments and possibly more indictments. 

https://www.democracynow.org/2018/2/20/mueller_probe_heats_up_13_russians



Complete denial: 

https://twitter.com/paulsurovell/status/965705420294803458

"No Russian govt officials indicted. Operation was commercial in nature."




Another stupid Trump tweet.  

"Question: If all of the Russian meddling took place during the Obama Administration, right up to January 20th, why aren’t they the subject of the investigation? Why didn’t Obama do something about the meddling? Why aren’t Dem crimes under investigation? Ask Jeff Sessions!"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/966321700588711936



1. Why doesn't he ask Jeff Sessions? Doesn't he know that Sessions works for him?

2. Who says they are not investigating anyone who had contact with the Russians including members of the Obama Administration?


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