Is Maplewood really inclusive ... or just marketing?

LOST said:
What do people suggest? Some of the new apartment buildings have a number of "affordable housing" units set aside for low-income people. Should we have more of those?
There would certainly be strong opposition.
What are the average and median income of families in MSO?
Higher than I thought.
https://www.bestplaces.net/economy/zip-code/new_jersey/maplewood/07040

What you say here "Some of the new apartment buildings have a number of "affordable housing" units set aside for low-income people. Should we have more of those?
There would certainly be strong opposition" is the heart of the one way I can think of how SOMA is not inclusive.

In order for SOMA and Northeastern NJ to remain affordable we need to expand the housing supply, but proposals to do this are often opposed by people who consider themselves to be progressive, but who oppose density for aesthetic reasons.  


Not sure that increased construction/density is the answer to reducing the average per capita income in Maplewood.  An apartment, coop,or condo in a new building, with construction that meets local building code requirements, is apt to be a lot more expensive than a comparable size unit in a older building given current construction costs and lack of undeveloped land within the borders of the township.  The requirement to set aside a specified number of affordable housing units helps the occupants of the affordable units but drives up the cost of market rent units for everyone else in the development even higher.   Merging with a neighboring lower income town or neighborhood such as Vaux Hall, Newark, or Irvington would accomplish that goal a lot faster but I don't see Maplewood voters going for that idea any time soon.


I would also point out that developers can choose what income level customer to appeal to. High-end apartments with expensive kitchens and amenities like a pool or doorman are going to attract different people.

Probably the quickest way to lower overall housing costs around here would be to let the train tunnels to Manhattan fail. You'd see housing get cheaper around here pretty quickly if the 35 minute Midtown commute went away.


mrincredible said:
I would also point out that developers can choose what income level customer to appeal to. High-end apartments with expensive kitchens and amenities like a pool or doorman are going to attract different people.

 Neither the Station House nor the Clarus have a doorman or a pool and the rents are very high.


LOST said:


mrincredible said:
I would also point out that developers can choose what income level customer to appeal to. High-end apartments with expensive kitchens and amenities like a pool or doorman are going to attract different people.
 Neither the Station House nor the Clarus have a doorman or a pool and the rents are very high.

 Just had to add this because I think it is hilarious.

The builder of the Circus edifice advertises that it features both filtered air and water.  Does this mean the residents are prolonging their lives by paying $4,600.00 per month for a two bedroom apartment.  Does it mean they will live less time in proportion to the amount of time spent away from the building?  Inquiring minds want to know.  Actually no one probably gives a Euro to find out but it is still pretty funny.


des said:
The economic divide is widening. It is depressing and terrifying to live under a Trump administration. It is energizing to live in a town that went 86% for HRC. We should aspire to 100%.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2016/11/how_your_town_voted_in_the_2016_presidential_election.html

Here is the irony: the tax increases required to pay for additional demand in our schools creates a feedback loop driving out lower-income residents. School funding policy has to be changed in Trenton.

 The first statement exactly embodies the hypocrisy demonstrated by the lack of tolerance so noted in this community: conservatives - you are not welcome and you had better keep your opinions to yourselves.


snowmom said:


des said:
The economic divide is widening. It is depressing and terrifying to live under a Trump administration. It is energizing to live in a town that went 86% for HRC. We should aspire to 100%.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2016/11/how_your_town_voted_in_the_2016_presidential_election.html

Here is the irony: the tax increases required to pay for additional demand in our schools creates a feedback loop driving out lower-income residents. School funding policy has to be changed in Trenton.
 The first statement exactly embodies the hypocrisy demonstrated by the lack of tolerance so noted in this community: conservatives - you are not welcome and you had better keep your opinions to yourselves.

Conservatives brought this on themselves when they embraced racism, homophobia and whatever you choose to call that glowing orange dumpster fire in the White House. No one likes a whiney Nazi who is always complaining because the Jews don't like him.



snowmom said:


des said:
The economic divide is widening. It is depressing and terrifying to live under a Trump administration. It is energizing to live in a town that went 86% for HRC. We should aspire to 100%.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2016/11/how_your_town_voted_in_the_2016_presidential_election.html

Here is the irony: the tax increases required to pay for additional demand in our schools creates a feedback loop driving out lower-income residents. School funding policy has to be changed in Trenton.
 The first statement exactly embodies the hypocrisy demonstrated by the lack of tolerance so noted in this community: conservatives - you are not welcome and you had better keep your opinions to yourselves.

 No, first - these are statements by individuals on this board - unless you are claiming to have heard from literally the entire community. 


And second - are t liberals allowed to express opinions too?

I’ve heard all kinds on MOL...


Don't blame Trump.  Clinton and Obama played this game, too


snowmom said:


des said:
The economic divide is widening. It is depressing and terrifying to live under a Trump administration. It is energizing to live in a town that went 86% for HRC. We should aspire to 100%.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2016/11/how_your_town_voted_in_the_2016_presidential_election.html

Here is the irony: the tax increases required to pay for additional demand in our schools creates a feedback loop driving out lower-income residents. School funding policy has to be changed in Trenton.
 The first statement exactly embodies the hypocrisy demonstrated by the lack of tolerance so noted in this community: conservatives - you are not welcome and you had better keep your opinions to yourselves.

 Fiscal conservatives are very welcome (may I suggest you re-examine assumptions on which party has created runaway deficits with their legislation). Racists, homophobes, and their ilk are not welcome. Hate has no home here.


Stoughton said:
It sounds like a great idea, but there are so many special events in that good-weather sweet spot between Easter and the end of school, in addition to the normal responsibilities, that it's easy to get lost in the shuffle. The XRootsFest is described well on the CCR website, but to maximize public participation, a more descriptive name might work better.

 I agree. The May/June calendar is packed in our area. I often wonder why many of the local groups that organize events don't coordinate in order to avoid scheduling conflicts.


yahooyahoo said:


Stoughton said:
It sounds like a great idea, but there are so many special events in that good-weather sweet spot between Easter and the end of school, in addition to the normal responsibilities, that it's easy to get lost in the shuffle. The XRootsFest is described well on the CCR website, but to maximize public participation, a more descriptive name might work better.
 I agree. The May/June calendar is packed in our area. I often wonder why many of the local groups that organize events don't coordinate in order to avoid scheduling conflicts.

Not enough dates available for all of the activities planned and more community-wide events are being added every year.    


des said:


snowmom said:

des said:
The economic divide is widening. It is depressing and terrifying to live under a Trump administration. It is energizing to live in a town that went 86% for HRC. We should aspire to 100%.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2016/11/how_your_town_voted_in_the_2016_presidential_election.html

Here is the irony: the tax increases required to pay for additional demand in our schools creates a feedback loop driving out lower-income residents. School funding policy has to be changed in Trenton.
 The first statement exactly embodies the hypocrisy demonstrated by the lack of tolerance so noted in this community: conservatives - you are not welcome and you had better keep your opinions to yourselves.
 Fiscal conservatives are very welcome (may I suggest you re-examine assumptions on which party has created runaway deficits with their legislation). Racists, homophobes, and their ilk are not welcome. Hate has no home here.

 Does party affiliation guarantee "..ists", "..isms"?  I think not; "..ists" can be found across all spectrums.  Assuming someone feels a given way based on their party affiliation is fool hardy.  IMHO, actions speak much louder than words. 


Klinker said:



snowmom said:

des said:
The economic divide is widening. It is depressing and terrifying to live under a Trump administration. It is energizing to live in a town that went 86% for HRC. We should aspire to 100%.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2016/11/how_your_town_voted_in_the_2016_presidential_election.html

Here is the irony: the tax increases required to pay for additional demand in our schools creates a feedback loop driving out lower-income residents. School funding policy has to be changed in Trenton.
 The first statement exactly embodies the hypocrisy demonstrated by the lack of tolerance so noted in this community: conservatives - you are not welcome and you had better keep your opinions to yourselves.
Conservatives brought this on themselves when they embraced racism, homophobia and whatever you choose to call that glowing orange dumpster fire in the White House. No one likes a whiney Nazi who is always complaining because the Jews don't like him.

 Are all conservatives racist, anti-semitic and homophobic?

Sounds like you take the POV that conservatives are unredeemable, deplorable human beings?


Finally, please identify all the "whiny nazis" here on MOL (or alternatively, the top 10 whiny nazis here on MOL).


snowmom said:

 Does party affiliation guarantee "..ists", "..isms"?  I think not; "..ists" can be found across all spectrums.  Assuming someone feels a given way based on their party affiliation is fool hardy.  IMHO, actions speak much louder than words. 

 Well, the action of casting a vote for someone like Trump (who is openly supporting a wannabe facist in Corey Stewart) or someone who will support and protect someone like Trump speaks quite loudly.


joan_crystal said:


yahooyahoo said:

Stoughton said:
It sounds like a great idea, but there are so many special events in that good-weather sweet spot between Easter and the end of school, in addition to the normal responsibilities, that it's easy to get lost in the shuffle. The XRootsFest is described well on the CCR website, but to maximize public participation, a more descriptive name might work better.
 I agree. The May/June calendar is packed in our area. I often wonder why many of the local groups that organize events don't coordinate in order to avoid scheduling conflicts.
Not enough dates available for all of the activities planned and more community-wide events are being added every year.    

That is very true, but it does seem that it would be valuable to have some sort of "master" community calendar where the towns and organizations could post their planned events as soon as the dates are confirmed (or consult when trying to select a date for an event) and this could at least help to reduce the number of conflicts in some cases.  I'll bet the Maplewoodstock people already know their dates for 2019, if not beyond and there are probably others like that planned very far in advance, which could be a start.  Of course there will be multiple events on a date, but groups planning events similar to an already scheduled event might consider whether they want to set up a direct competition with their scheduling.



RealityForAll said:


Klinker said:




snowmom said:

des said:
The economic divide is widening. It is depressing and terrifying to live under a Trump administration. It is energizing to live in a town that went 86% for HRC. We should aspire to 100%.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2016/11/how_your_town_voted_in_the_2016_presidential_election.html

Here is the irony: the tax increases required to pay for additional demand in our schools creates a feedback loop driving out lower-income residents. School funding policy has to be changed in Trenton.
 The first statement exactly embodies the hypocrisy demonstrated by the lack of tolerance so noted in this community: conservatives - you are not welcome and you had better keep your opinions to yourselves.
Conservatives brought this on themselves when they embraced racism, homophobia and whatever you choose to call that glowing orange dumpster fire in the White House. No one likes a whiney Nazi who is always complaining because the Jews don't like him.
 Are all conservatives racist, anti-semitic and homophobic?
Sounds like you take the POV that conservatives are unredeemable, deplorable human beings?


Finally, please identify all the "whiny nazis" here on MOL (or alternatively, the top 10 whiny nazis here on MOL).

 Not all conservatives are racist, homophobic AND antisemitic but the vast majority* of racists, homophobes and antisemites are conservatives and the conservative movement as a whole doesn't seem to have a problem with that.  Life is too short to spend hours and hours searching through the bag of deplorables for the one good little conservative who got tossed in by mistake.

(*infinte universe)


sac said:


joan_crystal said:

yahooyahoo said:

Stoughton said:
It sounds like a great idea, but there are so many special events in that good-weather sweet spot between Easter and the end of school, in addition to the normal responsibilities, that it's easy to get lost in the shuffle. The XRootsFest is described well on the CCR website, but to maximize public participation, a more descriptive name might work better.
 I agree. The May/June calendar is packed in our area. I often wonder why many of the local groups that organize events don't coordinate in order to avoid scheduling conflicts.
Not enough dates available for all of the activities planned and more community-wide events are being added every year.    
That is very true, but it does seem that it would be valuable to have some sort of "master" community calendar where the towns and organizations could post their planned events as soon as the dates are confirmed (or consult when trying to select a date for an event) and this could at least help to reduce the number of conflicts in some cases.  I'll bet the Maplewoodstock people already know their dates for 2019, if not beyond and there are probably others like that planned very far in advance, which could be a start.  Of course there will be multiple events on a date, but groups planning events similar to an already scheduled event might consider whether they want to set up a direct competition with their scheduling.


 The number of available suitable venues helps control this to a certain degree.  Events like the Art Studio Tour and Porch fest being obvious exceptions.


Lost, we do not have 2 orthodox Jewish congregations. There are 2 conservative communities. I am sure they would take exception with being labeled orthodox. 


I just want to chime in and say that I did was only vaguely aware of the the X Roots festival. These things do take many years to get up and growing...especially if you don't have a huge budget and star performers. For me personally, I had no idea what the X stood for. Looking forward to it next year. Good luck!


Lost is likely referring to Maplewood.  The two large conservative synagogues are in SO.


krugle said:
Don't blame Trump.  Clinton and Obama played this game, too

How does someone else erring excuse him???

Or them, for that matter...? 


Joan, there are 2 orthodox synagogues in Maplewood?


Yes one is on the corner of Prospect and Parker with a second building going up further east on Parker.  The other is in Hilton (possibly Lightning Brook).  I don't know the exact address.  Someone else reading this thread likely knows.


joan_crystal said:
Yes one is on the corner of Prospect and Parker with a second building going up further east on Parker.  The other is in Hilton (possibly Lightning Brook).  I don't know the exact address.  Someone else reading this thread likely knows.

 Congregation Ahavath Zion - on Boyden between Jacoby and Menzel streets.


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