If this doesn't sink Trump, we're doomed. (from Dec '15)
I have seen the Republican party nominate a right wing fruitcake and go on to a crushing defeat at the hands of Lyndon Johnson. I don't know that we can trust them to get anything right.
Hate to put my trust in the other party but there seems to be no alternative.
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I have seen the Republican party nominate a right wing fruitcake and go on to a crushing defeat at the hands of Lyndon Johnson. I don't know that we can trust them to get anything right.
Hate to put my trust in the other party but there seems to be no alternative.
Sadly, that election may as well have taken place on another planet. We are living in dark days.
I am afraid we will end up with a Trump v Clinton ticket in 2016. There's no doubt in my mind that Clinton will win, but our country will be the worse for having exposed this dark under belly of our society to the world. His candidacy will be our collective embarrassment.
I think it's far more than an embarrassment. I think it will mark the beginning of a very dark time. He is being denounced by practically everyone with any influence in this country.
So it's him against everyone. Of course he's not alone. He's got a huge following. Of very scary individuals. If he wins, THEY WIN.
And that's the problem.
And make no mistake - as right wing as Goldwater was, you can't compare his candidacy with Trump's.
I can't imagine the GOP leadership will let this happen. It's basically locking in 8 years of Clinton. I'm assuming they'll game it somehow to get to a brokered convention and nominate one of the wacky (but not bat***** insane) alternatives.
Trump is channeling the views of the voters he is aiming for.
I am much more worried about the ignorant bigots out there, who are the target audience.
Let's see what the polls show following his latest. A day ago Hillary led him by only 11 points. It's not just the Republican base that supports him.
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/clinton-leads-2016-match-ups-carson-rubio-run-closest-n474591
Trump will go down in some kind of scandal unrelated to the election, not on anything substantive. His calling John McCain a "loser" because he was captured proved that a long time ago.
The fact of the matter is that Trump makes people feel good, usually for the wrong reasons. But yesterday he did a riff on Christie, saying repeatedly "He knew" and ridiculing the idea that he could have had breakfast with his advisers and no one mentioned the bridge closing. It was very funny and it was great.
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/12/trump_unloads_on_christie_he_knew_about_bridgegate_and_much_more.html
The bad news is all of the above. The good news is , he is being rejected by just about all the other Republicans, what he is suggesting is unconstitutional and is not likely to ever become law, he is already walking it back, and in one poll Cruz is beating him in Iowa.
I know the last item sounds strange but a Cruz win will take a lot of wind out of Trumps sails and hopefully Cruz would then be beaten by a more centrist candidate further down the line.
This is not a U.S. only thing. Look how well the National Front did in French regional elections this past weekend. Le Pen is almost certain to be one of the top two in the next French Presidential election. Viktor Orbán the Prime Minister of Hungary is a demogogue and his party Fidesz is borderline Fascist.
Trump has hacked into the Republican "Id". He is saying the things that GOP voters believe in their hearts.
The problem isn't Trump. The problem is the ignorant bigots that Trump recognizes and panders to.
BCC said:
The bad news is all of the above. The good news is , he is being rejected by just about all the other Republicans, what he is suggesting is unconstitutional and is not likely to ever become law, he is already walking it back, and in one poll Cruz is beating him in Iowa.
I know the last item sounds strange but a Cruz win will take a lot of wind out of Trumps sails and hopefully Cruz would then be beaten by a more centrist candidate further down the line.
Hillary Clinton is 68. She could just drop dead from a stroke or a heart attack. That fact scares the shinolah out of me because there really doesn't appear to be any plan B on the side of the Democrats.
Personally, I would love to see Bernie in the Whitehouse but I also think that any reasonable analysis of our nation will reveal that, in the end, he is simply unelectable in a general election. Perhaps the one candidate that Trump could actually beat.
nohero said:
Trump has hacked into the Republican "Id". He is saying the things that GOP voters believe in their hearts.
The problem isn't Trump. The problem is the ignorant bigots that Trump recognizes and panders to.
I think we are finally seeing the real GOP that has been obscured by Republican PR for the last 20 years.
I've heard that 25% of registered Republicans support Trump. Which equals 5% of the US population. Not a huge number.
krugle1 said:
I've heard that 25% of registered Republicans support Trump. Which equals 5% of the US population. Not a huge number.
In a 12 way race. That number would be quite different if he was running against one self declared socialist.
RobB said:
Bernie is 74
Am I the only one shocked by the "Hillary is 68" sentiment? I'm petrified of this election.
The more afraid you are by what you are seeing the more you need to volunteer your time in this election process. Write a check, talk to people about WHY they should vote the way you think they should vote. Make phone calls for your preferred candidate, deliver fliers, pull the vote on nomination and election day. GET INVOLVED! An apathetic electorate is a dangerous thing.
If Trump is the nominee - whoever he picks to be his running mate will sink him. Part of me would love to see who this is and how they could possibly support Trump. So - has he gotten this far with his celebrity or his rhetoric? Probably a combination of the 2.
Sweetsnuggles said:
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1964/10/08/a-long-view-goldwater-in-history/ I'm not old enough to remember Goldwater. This article from the NY Review of Books makes him sound just like Trump.
Goldwater was essentially a libertarian who also believed in a strong military. He often was willing to go against his party in an issue of conscience, and was well respected in the Senate. His book, The Conscience of a Conservative wss influential in trying to provide a libertarian vision for Republicans that was different than the big money Rockefeller types who had dominated the party. He was completely different than the fascist-light demagoguery of Trump.
boomie said:
Klinker said:
boomie said:
RobB said:
Bernie is 74
Am I the only one shocked by the "Hillary is 68" comment?
In what sense?
Well, Trump is 69. Pataki is 70. Sanders is 74. Why are you worried about Hillary?
If Trump were to die from natural causes, I certainly wouldn't shed a tear. If Pataki were to die, no one would notice. If Hillary dies, we are most likely doomed to suffer from at least 4 years of whoever the Republicans manage to nominate. The woman is literally irreplaceable at this point.
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I think the Trump candidacy has hit it's tipping point. Either he crashes and burns over the 'keep out all the muslims' policy, or we as a country are totally f***ed.
No other two ways about it. We best do the right thing. It's now or never.