Howard Schultz'z Terrible Idea

It's not selling coffee in Maplewood  Village.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/27/ex-starbucks-ceo-howard-schultz-weighs-bid-for-us-presidency.html

Good way to guaranty Trump's re-election.


I will say again that I dont mind anyone running in a primary.  We need to listen to every idea and see what resonates.  The crowd will thin out, and hopefully the survivors will add some well received ideas to their own platforms.  


FilmCarp said:
I will say again that I dont mind anyone running in a primary.  We need to listen to every idea and see what resonates.  The crowd will thin out, and hopefully the survivors will add some well received ideas to their own platforms.  

 I’m pretty sure that if he’s running as an independent he’ll bypass the primaries and go directly to the general election.


Running as an Independent means that you're not running in the Primaries for a Party's Nomination.

That's the very definition!!


FilmCarp is a pretty sharp poster. I trust it was an oversight.


It was.  I admit I didn't see that.  That is disappointing, but I'd still like to hear what he has to say.


If you want a hint of what a Howard Schultz presidency would look like, this roll up of Twitter thread is a pretty good indication.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1089775251683078144.html


That's a funny story.


we don't need any more billionaire CEOs to run for office, and we sure as hell don't need any "centrists."


Is he too stupid to realize that he will help Trump, or does he realize he'll help Trump and just says what the hell?


Stupid or evil?

Not the best basis to rate a candidate.



I think it's stupidity. He seems to actually think bipartisanship is possible. It's like he hasn't been paying attention to the last 25 years of the  GOP 


Is anyone going to vote for this guy?  Maybe if he gives out free coffee he will get a few to show up at his rallies.  I'd probably go for a latte.  


Campaign slogan

Better latte then never....



wharfrat said:
Campaign slogan
Better latte then never....


 Make Americano Great Again.


Running as an independent is a pretty dumb idea right now, and Schultz is rightly getting skewered for floating the notion.

But, his voice could be helpful if his ego doesn’t take over — The Atlantic has a good perspective on this.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/how-howard-schultz-may-save-democratic-party/581443/

While the current trend among 2020 Democratic hopefuls seems to be who can out-progressive the next person, the fact is that free everything for everybody doesn’t play well in Peoria. Never has, never will. So someone with Schultz-type views could be the best shot to beat the orange *** clown.



Smedley said:
Running as an independent is a pretty dumb idea right now, and Schultz is rightly getting skewered for floating the notion.
But, his voice could be helpful if his ego doesn’t take over — The Atlantic has a good perspective on this.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/how-howard-schultz-may-save-democratic-party/581443/

While the current trend among 2020 Democratic hopefuls seems to be who can out-progressive the next person, the fact is that free everything for everybody doesn’t play well in Peoria. Never has, never will. So someone with Schultz-type views could be the best shot to beat the orange *** clown.


 The Atlantic is out of touch. 70% of people want Medicare for All.  It's playing in Peoria.  


well then, let’s roll with Bernie-AOC ‘20.


If "AOC" stands for the new Congresswoman from The Bronx and Queens, she is not old enough. The Constitution specifies that one must be 35 years old or older to be President and that applies to the VP as well.

It says something about this country's politics that having a Policy of Healthcare which is similar to what Canadians take for granted is considered Far Left.

Has anyone here actually been to Peoria?


I suspect that AOC gives voice to the concerns of younger people more than most old fogeys may realize.


I think opening up the Nation’s bathrooms to drug addled bums is a fine platform.


Robert_Casotto said:
I think opening up the Nation’s bathrooms to drug addled bums is a fine platform.

 Did you email to thank him for letting you do that?


From https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/29/schultz-warren-tax-plan-2020-1133228

"Democratic operatives have trashed Schultz, arguing that his candidacy would put President Donald Trump back in the White House by drawing anti-Trump voters away from the eventual Democratic nominee."

In other words, Democratic operatives don't believe the eventual Democratic nominee will be any good.


lord_pabulum said:
From https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/29/schultz-warren-tax-plan-2020-1133228
"Democratic operatives have trashed Schultz, arguing that his candidacy would put President Donald Trump back in the White House by drawing anti-Trump voters away from the eventual Democratic nominee."

In other words, Democratic operatives don't believe the eventual Democratic nominee will be any good.

No, I would say that Democratic strategists are smart enough  to understand that they want a binary choice on the ballot - Trump and not-Trump.  If an independent takes away enough of the middle, the results are unpredictable.  So, really it has nothing to do with the quality of the Democratic candidate.


South_Mountaineer said:




Robert_Casotto said:
I think opening up the Nation’s bathrooms to drug addled bums is a fine platform.
 Did you email to thank him for letting you do that?

 That hurts, especially coming from whoever it is you are.


I think tjohn nailed it. If Schultz puts himself in the middle who is he more likely to skim voters from?

Part of any election strategy is appealing to people on your left and right fringes. Plenty of people will be selecting a candidate they aren't 100% happy about but they are 100% preferable to the opponent. That is one of the reasons Trump got elected in 2016. Lots of mainstream Republicans voted for him because he was the alternative to Clinton.

So if you have someone who considers themselves fiscally conservative (i.e. no big new entitlement programs like Medicare For All) and socially progressive (LGBTQ rights, prison reform, immigrant rights) and your choices are Warren, Schultz or Trump which lever will they pull? What if it's just Warren or Trump?


lord_pabulum said:
From https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/29/schultz-warren-tax-plan-2020-1133228
"Democratic operatives have trashed Schultz, arguing that his candidacy would put President Donald Trump back in the White House by drawing anti-Trump voters away from the eventual Democratic nominee."

In other words, Democratic operatives don't believe the eventual Democratic nominee will be any good.

 In other words, you may be spinning for Trump.


South_Mountaineer said:


lord_pabulum said:
From https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/29/schultz-warren-tax-plan-2020-1133228
"Democratic operatives have trashed Schultz, arguing that his candidacy would put President Donald Trump back in the White House by drawing anti-Trump voters away from the eventual Democratic nominee."

In other words, Democratic operatives don't believe the eventual Democratic nominee will be any good.
 In other words, you may be spinning for Trump.

 Actually you sound more like a Trumpist than me

ETA: A Trumpist reacts to things without taking time to reflect


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