fox and falcon

oots

anyone been there yet?


mrincredible

I would love to see a menu before I go. Their website is not very complete as of yet. If anyone finds an online menu and can post it would be most appreciated.



Terry

Checked it out last night. 

I had the fusilli. Good, not great. Gf had the fluke crudo app. Reported ok but wee for $15. 

With 2 beers & 2 wines the bill was almost $90. 

Pretty good crowd, and vibe to the place. Service seemed a bit disorganized but not bad for a brand new place. 

Overall I’d call it promising but pricey. I’ll check it out again but wouldn’t go running back.


apple44

Has been getting good reviews on FB and Instagram. Full bar (they kept the Snug space in lower level and the upper level one). Apps such as meatball sliders. Entrees $17-24 (meat, chicken, fish) and a $39 ribeye. Chef was at Del Posto and other NYC restaurants. Planning to have live music Thursdays-Saturdays. 


Ridley

Somehow they managed to make the burger even more expensive than Ricalton's.


Terry
ridski said:
Somehow they managed to make the burger even more expensive than Ricalton's.

 I was thinking the same thing. Ric's used to catch hell online for its $16 (I think) burger and F&F is $18.

F&F overall price point is definitely on the high side. There's nothing wrong with that in itself -- *IF* the place provides a dining experience commensurate with the price point. Ric's/SMT was never able to deliver on that. Will F&F? 


DaveSchmidt
ridski said:
Somehow they managed to make the burger even more expensive than Ricalton's.

The burger-ribeye ratio doesn’t compute. Also: a $6.50 meatball. 

Maybe, in both cases, I’m underestimating the cheese.


Michael

LaFrieda Blend burgers usually cost more.  

And hard to know about the pricing of the ribeye without knowing the size.




jersey_boy

If I were craving a hamburger, there are other options in town. I never understood the fixation on the prices of the hamburger at a fine dining establishment.

I wouldn't go to Lorena's to get a hamburger, but if they ever had one on their menu, I wouldn't expect it to be price comparable to other places.


Ridley
jersey_boy said:
If I were craving a hamburger, there are other options in town. I never understood the fixation on the prices of the hamburger at a fine dining establishment.
I wouldn't go to Lorena's to get a hamburger, but if they ever had one on their menu, I wouldn't expect it to be price comparable to other places.

We also wouldn't go to Lorena's to watch the football on a Sunday or expect it to have a trivia night or stand-up comedy, but apparently that's what you find in fine-dining establishments like Ricalton's.


DaveSchmidt
mikescott said:
LaFrieda Blend burgers usually cost more.  
And hard to know about the pricing of the ribeye without knowing the size.

True. Still, the ratio at a place like Capital Grille, which also serves a pricey burger (and where the ribeye is 22 oz.), is closer to 3-to-1 than 2-to-1. Could mean the F&F steak is a relative bargain. Just never noticed comparative price points like that at a restaurant before.


Further research reveals an $8 burger and a $17 12-oz. ribeye on an old Sizzler menu. Nonplussed observation withdrawn.


Ridley

Just to clarify my personal obsession with the price of burgers is that it's a simple way to compare different places and price points. If the burger, typically the cheapest item on the dinner menu, is outrageously overpriced, then I imagine everything will be and I'd rather stay at home. I personally think $18 for a sandwich is a stupid price point. You might as well spray it gold and charge $90. It's just not worth it.


rhw

The burger was real good,


apple44

At first glance, the prices do seem high. But if you consider they they did renovations on top of the extensive renovations which were already done, on top of very high costs for rent and the liquor license, and recruited an experienced chef, the prices seem reasonable. This seems to be the type of place a lot of people have been asking for.



yahooyahoo
apple44 said:
At first glance, the prices do seem high. But if you consider they they did renovations on top of the extensive renovations which were already done, on top of very high costs for rent and the liquor license, and recruited an experienced chef, the prices seem reasonable. This seems to be the type of place a lot of people have been asking for.

Which takes us back to Smedley's point. They must deliver the experience and food for which people are willing to pay.


apple44
yahooyahoo said:


apple44 said:
At first glance, the prices do seem high. But if you consider they they did renovations on top of the extensive renovations which were already done, on top of very high costs for rent and the liquor license, and recruited an experienced chef, the prices seem reasonable. This seems to be the type of place a lot of people have been asking for.
Which takes us back to Smedley's point. They must deliver the experience and food for which people are willing to pay.

They seem to be off to a good start. Aside from the expected few comments about it being pricy, most reviews that I've been hearing have been very positive.


mrincredible
ridski said:
Just to clarify my personal obsession with the price of burgers is that it's a simple way to compare different places and price points. If the burger, typically the cheapest item on the dinner menu, is outrageously overpriced, then I imagine everything will be and I'd rather stay at home. I personally think $18 for a sandwich is a stupid price point. You might as well spray it gold and charge $90. It's just not worth it.

This the most sensible post ever on MOL and the one I agree with the most.



author
mrincredible said:


ridski said:
Just to clarify my personal obsession with the price of burgers is that it's a simple way to compare different places and price points. If the burger, typically the cheapest item on the dinner menu, is outrageously overpriced, then I imagine everything will be and I'd rather stay at home. I personally think $18 for a sandwich is a stupid price point. You might as well spray it gold and charge $90. It's just not worth it.
This the most sensible post ever on MOL and the one I agree with the most.


 And there you go folks.....his ego certainly needed a boost.


Michael
mrincredible said:


ridski said:
Just to clarify my personal obsession with the price of burgers is that it's a simple way to compare different places and price points. If the burger, typically the cheapest item on the dinner menu, is outrageously overpriced, then I imagine everything will be and I'd rather stay at home. I personally think $18 for a sandwich is a stupid price point. You might as well spray it gold and charge $90. It's just not worth it.
This the most sensible post ever on MOL and the one I agree with the most.


 Burgers are also the most popular item and even if they overcharge for one, it will still be a top-seller in terms of percentage of sales.  And when a party of four goes out for dinner, odds are at least one person will have "just a burger" while the rest of the party will be more adventurous and try other dishes.  So one person not wanting to over pay for a burger is not going to change the decision to go out and have a nice time.  

Lots of items are overpriced in a restaurant and some offer a good value, but most people go out because they want a good experience, and especially -- good service.  Then the pricing issue of a burger vs a ribeye goes away.  

By the way, a 1/4 pounder with fries  is about $8 at McDonalds and is about $11.00 at the local diners.  So is $18 that far out of line for a better quality burger in a nice restaurant? 


DaveSchmidt
mikescott said:

By the way, a 1/4 pounder with fries  is about $8 at McDonalds and is about $11.00 at the local diners.  So is $18 that far out of line for a better quality burger in a nice restaurant? 

For me, it depends on how nice the restaurant is: the rest of the food, the ambience, the service. If F&F is setting, say, the Capital Grille as its standard and meets it, I have no complaints about an $18 burger. But then, for me, it becomes a spot for special occasions, and not the “two or three” nights a week that were mentioned in the Village Green article. That sounds more like an $11 burger place.


DaveSchmidt

Also, “pricy” doesn’t mean stay away. It’s information, a description. Subjective, sure, but nevertheless. The Cassidy’s burger is $16. I had it once and, when I went back, had it again. I’d still call it pricey for what it was.


apple44

Seems smart to have a good burger not only as people want them, but also this is an area which isn't particularly well known for great ones. 

Also, they're starting a live jazz series this Thurs., 12/6, from 7-11 pm.


Ridley

I guess I just forget sometimes that I live in a place where no one bats an eyelid at an $18 burger.


jimmurphy

You are not alone Ridski.


DaveSchmidt
ridski said:
where no one bats an eyelid at an $18 burger.

 Why would I start flirting with an $18 burger? Only a fool would take it out.


author

I believe I mentioned I did service work in the building for years.

At the time the Stuffed Shirt produced a burger that was to die for and be born again.

Years later,  by coincidence I met the owner of the building who said his taxes ran in the 20 thousand dollar a year area.

The building is stand alone.  Unlike many restaurants there are no apartments upstairs to help absorb the fact of life that taxes constitute.

With never ending pass along expenses come $18.00 hamburgers....are fries included?




ml1
author said:
 ....are fries included?





Yes 


mrmaplewood

This reminds me of the brew houses that charge the same for a bottle of Budweiser as their home brewed craft beer, an incentive to try their specialty.



$20,000 a year taxes seems to be quite cheap for this area considering what I pay for my residence.  Is there some error here?



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