Can a Vice President Be Impeached?

rcarter31

Things are getting murky for Pence.  Could also go down with Trump?

What happens then?

-Ron Carter


John

President Ryan and kiss Medicaid and Medicare goodbye.


LOST

I am fairly certain that the VP can be impeached. The Speaker is second in line but no Speaker has ever become President through succession.


LOST

Spiro Agnew was not impeached. He resigned.


rcarter31

I'm glad some change may be coming but to quote that old TV program:  What a Revoltin' Development This is!

We all need to think long and hard about dumping Trump to inherit Spence.  I grew up in Mississippi with a lot of "Mike Spences"  Careful what you get as unintended consequences!

Scares the Sxxt out of me!

-Ron Carter


John


rcarter31 said:

that old TV program:  What a Revoltin' Development This is!


The Life of Riley


Morganna

Could Trump & Pence be impeached at the same time? Like a double wedding!


shoshannah
Morganna said:

Could Trump & Pence be impeached at the same time? Like a double wedding!

I'd do a mezinka.


max_weisenfeld

I do not believe the case for there being a constitutional mechanism for impeaching the Vice President is very strong.  Impeachment is used to remove terminal position holders -- the president has very few checks on them, and the founders, who argued this point very intensely, wanted to make sure there was a mechanism to remove one if needed.  The vice president can be indicted and tried like a normal person, and in the role of vice president has very little real power, making impeachment unnecessary.  In this case, if there is a case (and there is almost no case at this time against Pence) congress would have to impeach them sequentially.


rcarter31


Morganna said:

Could Trump & Pence be impeached at the same time? Like a double wedding!

As drump is always saying:  It's get great ratings!  -Ron



weirdbeard


max_weisenfeld said:

I do not believe the case for there being a constitutional mechanism for impeaching the Vice President is very strong.  Impeachment is used to remove terminal position holders -- the president has very few checks on them, and the founders, who argued this point very intensely, wanted to make sure there was a mechanism to remove one if needed.  The vice president can be indicted and tried like a normal person, and in the role of vice president has very little real power, making impeachment unnecessary.  In this case, if there is a case (and there is almost no case at this time against Pence) congress would have to impeach them sequentially.

Disagree - the Constitution is pretty clear on this in Article II, Section 4:

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."




Sally

We should be careful what we wish for ...

http://observer.com/2017/05/wh...


max_weisenfeld


weirdbeard said:



max_weisenfeld said:

I do not believe the case for there being a constitutional mechanism for impeaching the Vice President is very strong.  Impeachment is used to remove terminal position holders -- the president has very few checks on them, and the founders, who argued this point very intensely, wanted to make sure there was a mechanism to remove one if needed.  The vice president can be indicted and tried like a normal person, and in the role of vice president has very little real power, making impeachment unnecessary.  In this case, if there is a case (and there is almost no case at this time against Pence) congress would have to impeach them sequentially.

Disagree - the Constitution is pretty clear on this in Article II, Section 4:

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."



Ok, I was definitely wrong about this.


Michael

Ryan would be a major disaster - and IMHO he is worse than Trump/Pence.  

I feel like we should weather the storm and hope that 2018 and 2020 drains the new swamp,


angelak

It's a frickin' cesspool.


mfpark


max_weisenfeld said:



weirdbeard said:



max_weisenfeld said:

I do not believe the case for there being a constitutional mechanism for impeaching the Vice President is very strong.  Impeachment is used to remove terminal position holders -- the president has very few checks on them, and the founders, who argued this point very intensely, wanted to make sure there was a mechanism to remove one if needed.  The vice president can be indicted and tried like a normal person, and in the role of vice president has very little real power, making impeachment unnecessary.  In this case, if there is a case (and there is almost no case at this time against Pence) congress would have to impeach them sequentially.

Disagree - the Constitution is pretty clear on this in Article II, Section 4:

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."




Ok, I was definitely wrong about this.

I am framing this one.


angelak

A swamp is a natural habitat where fascinating and beautiful creatures live.  A cesspool is where sh1t goes to die.


LOST


weirdbeard said:



max_weisenfeld said:

I do not believe the case for there being a constitutional mechanism for impeaching the Vice President is very strong.  Impeachment is used to remove terminal position holders -- the president has very few checks on them, and the founders, who argued this point very intensely, wanted to make sure there was a mechanism to remove one if needed.  The vice president can be indicted and tried like a normal person, and in the role of vice president has very little real power, making impeachment unnecessary.  In this case, if there is a case (and there is almost no case at this time against Pence) congress would have to impeach them sequentially.

Disagree - the Constitution is pretty clear on this in Article II, Section 4:

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."



Thanks. I was about to Google.


mikescott said:

Ryan would be a major disaster - and IMHO he is worse than Trump/Pence.  

I feel like we should weather the storm and hope that 2018 and 2020 drains the new swamp,

Pence and Ryan are normal Conservative Republican Politicians. I disagree profoundly with their beliefs, but we survived Reagan and Bush. Trump is different. He is mentally disturbed and evil. The fact that he is President is one of the greatest disgraces in the History of the USA.


Henry


LOST said:



weirdbeard said:



max_weisenfeld said:

I do not believe the case for there being a constitutional mechanism for impeaching the Vice President is very strong.  Impeachment is used to remove terminal position holders -- the president has very few checks on them, and the founders, who argued this point very intensely, wanted to make sure there was a mechanism to remove one if needed.  The vice president can be indicted and tried like a normal person, and in the role of vice president has very little real power, making impeachment unnecessary.  In this case, if there is a case (and there is almost no case at this time against Pence) congress would have to impeach them sequentially.

Disagree - the Constitution is pretty clear on this in Article II, Section 4:

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."




Thanks. I was about to Google.




mikescott said:

Ryan would be a major disaster - and IMHO he is worse than Trump/Pence.  

I feel like we should weather the storm and hope that 2018 and 2020 drains the new swamp,

Pence and Ryan are normal Conservative Republican Politicians. I disagree profoundly with their beliefs, but we survived Reagan and Bush. Trump is different. He is mentally disturbed and evil. The fact that he is President is one of the greatest disgraces in the History of the USA.

Do you think we'll survive this?


spontaneous

I think healthcare will be badly gutted whether it be Trump, Pence, or Ryan in the White House.  However, Trump is now risking our ability to get quality intelligence reports from other countries, leaving us more vulnerable to terrorist attacks.  He is also f*cking crazy enough that our risk of going to war is much higher than normal.  

All three suck, all three will kill untold numbers of people by destroying healthcare.  But Trump has a greater chance of killing people by making it easier for terrorist plots to go undetected and by pissing in North Korea's (or some other equally unstable nation's) cheerios and getting us involved in a nuclear war.


LOST


fairplay said:



LOST said:



weirdbeard said:



max_weisenfeld said:

I do not believe the case for there being a constitutional mechanism for impeaching the Vice President is very strong.  Impeachment is used to remove terminal position holders -- the president has very few checks on them, and the founders, who argued this point very intensely, wanted to make sure there was a mechanism to remove one if needed.  The vice president can be indicted and tried like a normal person, and in the role of vice president has very little real power, making impeachment unnecessary.  In this case, if there is a case (and there is almost no case at this time against Pence) congress would have to impeach them sequentially.

Disagree - the Constitution is pretty clear on this in Article II, Section 4:

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."




Thanks. I was about to Google.




mikescott said:

Ryan would be a major disaster - and IMHO he is worse than Trump/Pence.  

I feel like we should weather the storm and hope that 2018 and 2020 drains the new swamp,

Pence and Ryan are normal Conservative Republican Politicians. I disagree profoundly with their beliefs, but we survived Reagan and Bush. Trump is different. He is mentally disturbed and evil. The fact that he is President is one of the greatest disgraces in the History of the USA.

Do you think we'll survive this?

We will survive but hopefully the bleeding will stop sooner than later.

And what does not kill you makes you stronger.


Gilgul

Tillerson, number 4 in line, may be the most grown up one in the room. 


Sally

if Trump were out of office, the success rate for the GOP legislative agenda would probably increase, so I'm on the fence.


BG9


sac said:

if Trump were out of office, the success rate for the GOP legislative agenda would probably increase, so I'm in the fence.

Wouldn't it be ironic if the Republican congress people decide to dump Trump because they see their agenda and careers endangered its the Democrats that end up saving him.


Tom R


angelak said:

A swamp is a natural habitat where fascinating and beautiful creatures live.  A cesspool is where sh1t goes to die.

Agreed. But remember, a cesspool is a thing WE create.

TomR


Judith

I was optimistic that after Nov 8th they would see the errors of their ways, but until midterm elections when most are dumped, I see the GOP sticking their fingers in their ears and singing lalalalala. 

BG9 said:



sac said:

if Trump were out of office, the success rate for the GOP legislative agenda would probably increase, so I'm in the fence.

Wouldn't it be ironic if the Republican congress people decide to dump Trump because they see their agenda and careers endangered its the Democrats that end up saving him.





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