Bring Out Your Dead! The celebrity death thread....
chalmers said:
Had he admitted what he'd done, shown some contrition and stayed quiet for a few years, he probably would have gotten in.
Rose was never the brightest bulb in the clubhouse. Still, betting on your own team’s games cuts to the heart of the integrity of the sport. Even a years-long apology tour might not have spared him. (See: the sympathetic Joe Jackson, who a century later could barefoot his way straight into the National Baseball Hall of Fame if only that independent institution decided to make him eligible.)
drummerboy said:
How can the all time hits leader not be in the HOF?
I’m surprised you hadn’t heard.
DaveSchmidt said:
chalmers said:
Had he admitted what he'd done, shown some contrition and stayed quiet for a few years, he probably would have gotten in.
Rose was never the brightest bulb in the clubhouse. Still, betting on your own team’s games cuts to the heart of the integrity of the sport. Even a years-long apology tour might not have spared him. (See: the sympathetic Joe Jackson, who a century later could barefoot his way straight into the National Baseball Hall of Fame if only that independent institution decided to make him eligible.)
drummerboy said:
How can the all time hits leader not be in the HOF?
I’m surprised you hadn’t heard.
did he ever bet against the Reds? if not, they should have cut him some slack.
as for the other comment,
I assume that was just snark directed at an obviously rhetorical question.
Sometimes I can't tell.
I haven’t thought about Pete Rose in a long time. As a younger baseball fan he annoyed me, probably because he was so good. I was very self-righteous when he was banned.
My attitudes about addiction have changed a lot since I was in my 20s. The man clearly had a problem and it cost him. I think a different outcome could have been achieved involving a finite but significant ban. Maybe some compulsory work for gamblers anonymous or some other charity could have been a condition of reinstatement.
It’s a sad story. He didn’t die destitute but he missed out on lots of opportunities to enjoy the adulation of fans over the years.
drummerboy said:
did he ever bet against the Reds? if not, they should have cut him some slack.
as for the other comment,
I assume that was just snark directed at an obviously rhetorical question.
Sometimes I can't tell.
you can’t tell? After years of interacting?
drummerboy said:
I assume that was just snark directed at an obviously rhetorical question.
It was. The reason being that nothing about Rose’s fate lends itself to rhetorical questions.
I watched the first episode of the Pete Rose documentary. He’s a difficult person to like. He was great at baseball but a jerk as well. There are times in the episode when I thought maybe he has learned his lesson(s) but then he’d say something else and I thought he hasn’t learned anything.
yahooyahoo said:
I watched the first episode of the Pete Rose documentary. He’s a difficult person to like. He was great at baseball but a jerk as well. There are times in the episode when I thought maybe he has learned his lesson(s) but then he’d say something else and I thought he hasn’t learned anything.
he wore a red cap also….
DaveSchmidt said:
chalmers said:
Had he admitted what he'd done, shown some contrition and stayed quiet for a few years, he probably would have gotten in.
Rose was never the brightest bulb in the clubhouse. Still, betting on your own team’s games cuts to the heart of the integrity of the sport. Even a years-long apology tour might not have spared him. (See: the sympathetic Joe Jackson, who a century later could barefoot his way straight into the National Baseball Hall of Fame if only that independent institution decided to make him eligible.)
You may be right, but in today’s world, I figured the economic potential of a Rose induction (particularly in a year with no crowd-attracting member of the class) and respected supporters like Joe Morgan would one day lead the HOF to grant a reprieve, possibly alongside Shoeless Joe Jackson. But it’s awfully hard to show grace to someone who has figuratively stuck his middle finger in your face for decades.
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Like so many young baseball fans, Pete Rose was my favorite player outside of guys from my team, but as far as the HOF, he was his own worst enemy in a lot of ways. Had he admitted what he'd done, shown some contrition and stayed quiet for a few years, he probably would have gotten in. I was going to list a few examples of how he seemingly intentionally antagonized the same people he was asking for grace, but it's probably not the right time. However, HBO recently ran a four-part documentary that paints a pretty detailed picture.