Bill Cosby mentored women solely for sex - '05 deposition

If true, this is what Camille Cosby has recently stated about her marriage to Bill.

According to the family source, Camille confided, “You have to allow for space to let your partner do what he wants. I have done that and [Bill] has done that and there’s no jealously, no friction.”

Isn't this just an "open" marriage and not necessarily allowed "space" for philandering?

This was a strange statement as well: She “stopped being embarrassed long ago” by her husband’s affairs, the family source said, but cannot tolerate the “invasion of privacy.”

Isn't the fact that husband or wife is sleeping with others, having inevitable pillow talk and at some point, becoming more than lovers the true "invasion of privacy"? If you are married to a public figure and he/she is "allowed" to have affairs doesn't the invasion of privacy eventually come with the territory?



I have rarely seen denial as deep as Camille Cosby's. It's one thing to know and accept that your spouse is sleeping with other consenting adults; it's something else utterly to know and accept that your spouse is a rapist. And it's unthinkable not just to fail to speak up, but to stay married to him with that knowledge. Twisted, twisted family. I do want to hear from Phylicia Rashad, though.


It's hard to have pillow talk if your partner is unconscious so I guess she's ok there.



eliz said:
It's hard to have pillow talk if your partner is unconscious so I guess she's ok there.

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Mr Chase at CHS would tell us stories about how big of an ***** Bill Cosby was when they attended Temple together. Anything is possible


Paul Reubens was blacklisted for something he did alone, in private, that hurt no one. But Cosby was never blacklisted, at all. The double-standard is revolting.



Coneheads said:
Paul Reubens was blacklisted for something he did alone, in private, that hurt no one. But Cosby was never blacklisted, at all. The double-standard is revolting.

Well not really. You can't really compare Paul Reuben's reputation with Cosby's. From what I recall, Reubens was caught in a public theater, not exactly in private. And the Cosby accusers (where statute of limitations had not expired) settled out of court without pressing charges.


Yes, Paul Reubens was caught in a public theater, but OTOH, he didn't rape anyone. Or drug anyone. Or offer to pay anyone off to drop charges. That list of indiscretions is far more impressive to me.



PeggyC said:
Yes, Paul Reubens was caught in a public theater, but OTOH, he didn't rape anyone. Or drug anyone. Or offer to pay anyone off to drop charges. That list of indiscretions is far more impressive to me.

It was an adult theatre, as I recall. Adult theatres were places where people sat far apart and did what he did. It was as "private" as watching porn on a PC is today.


Coneheads, I was actually agreeing with you. What is your point?



Coneheads said:
Paul Reubens was blacklisted for something he did alone, in private, that hurt no one. But Cosby was never blacklisted, at all. The double-standard is revolting.

I don't think Cosby is going to be getting any work though. I am pretty sure he can kiss his career goodbye.



PeggyC said:
Coneheads, I was actually agreeing with you. What is your point?

Sorry- meant to quote Red.



val said:
I have rarely seen denial as deep as Camille Cosby's. It's one thing to know and accept that your spouse is sleeping with other consenting adults; it's something else utterly to know and accept that your spouse is a rapist. And it's unthinkable not just to fail to speak up, but to stay married to him with that knowledge. Twisted, twisted family. I do want to hear from Phylicia Rashad, though.

Agreed. There is "Stand By Your Man," and there is Camille Cosby.



Coneheads said:



PeggyC said:
Coneheads, I was actually agreeing with you. What is your point?
Sorry- meant to quote Red.



Coneheads said:


PeggyC said:
Yes, Paul Reubens was caught in a public theater, but OTOH, he didn't rape anyone. Or drug anyone. Or offer to pay anyone off to drop charges. That list of indiscretions is far more impressive to me.
It was an adult theatre, as I recall. Adult theatres were places where people sat far apart and did what he did. It was as "private" as watching porn on a PC is today.

I don't think you believe that. Are you saying that as long as they buy a ticket, anyone can come into your living room and do that?



Red_Barchetta said:


Coneheads said:



PeggyC said:
Coneheads, I was actually agreeing with you. What is your point?
Sorry- meant to quote Red.




Coneheads said:



PeggyC said:
Yes, Paul Reubens was caught in a public theater, but OTOH, he didn't rape anyone. Or drug anyone. Or offer to pay anyone off to drop charges. That list of indiscretions is far more impressive to me.
It was an adult theatre, as I recall. Adult theatres were places where people sat far apart and did what he did. It was as "private" as watching porn on a PC is today.
I don't think you believe that. Are you saying that as long as they buy a ticket, anyone can come into your living room and do that?

How old are you? Do you have any memory of the world before the Internet?



Coneheads said:


PeggyC said:
Yes, Paul Reubens was caught in a public theater, but OTOH, he didn't rape anyone. Or drug anyone. Or offer to pay anyone off to drop charges. That list of indiscretions is far more impressive to me.
It was an adult theatre, as I recall. Adult theatres were places where people sat far apart and did what he did. It was as "private" as watching porn on a PC is today.

So you're saying this kind of behavior is acceptable in a public place and that's the same as doing it in the privacy of your home?


I don't understand women like Camille who cling to their husbands regardless of evidence. To me, it's a huge self esteem issue. While it's completely up to her to stand by her man, she cannot continue to deny the mounting evidence of rape and drug use. Why bother getting married or staying married to a person of that caliber? Her quick quips regarding their marriage gives clear evidence that she definitely knew something was awry.


I think these kinds of things happen all the time. She was a married to a rich and famous man. Where would she be if she spoke up?


Coneheads said:
Paul Reubens was blacklisted for something he did alone, in private, that hurt no one. But Cosby was never blacklisted, at all. The double-standard is revolting.

Blacklist over; new Pee Wee movie comes out next year!!!


Would she be considered an accessory in the legal sense? Used to feel sorry for her but now not so much.



fabulouswalls said:


Coneheads said:



PeggyC said:
Yes, Paul Reubens was caught in a public theater, but OTOH, he didn't rape anyone. Or drug anyone. Or offer to pay anyone off to drop charges. That list of indiscretions is far more impressive to me.
It was an adult theatre, as I recall. Adult theatres were places where people sat far apart and did what he did. It was as "private" as watching porn on a PC is today.
So you're saying this kind of behavior is acceptable in a public place and that's the same as doing it in the privacy of your home?

It used to be. Remember the peep show booths in Times Square? Every city used to have a sleazy district with stripper bars, XXX theaters, etc., usually near the bus station, with varying levels of law enforcement. Paul Reubens had the bad luck to be caught up in a sweep.

wikipedia: "For live peep shows, booths can surround a stage upon which usually a female performer performs a striptease and sexually-explicit poses. In some cases, booths include paper towel dispensers,[3] for customers who engage in masturbation."



fabulouswalls said:
I think these kinds of things happen all the time. She was a married to a rich and famous man. Where would she be if she spoke up?

Maybe able to look herself in the mirror, for one. Respected and maybe even sympathized with, rather than scorned, two. IDK to me that stuff would be more important to reclaim, rather than just staying in her gilded cage.



Student_Council said:



Maybe able to look herself in the mirror, for one. Respected and maybe even sympathized with, rather than scorned, two. IDK to me that stuff would be more important to reclaim, rather than just staying in her gilded cage.

I guess she figured it would never come out. Riding on the heels of fortune and fame. Obviously she's shameless too.



Coneheads said:



Red_Barchetta said:




Coneheads said:



PeggyC said:
Coneheads, I was actually agreeing with you. What is your point?
Sorry- meant to quote Red.






Coneheads said:





PeggyC said:
Yes, Paul Reubens was caught in a public theater, but OTOH, he didn't rape anyone. Or drug anyone. Or offer to pay anyone off to drop charges. That list of indiscretions is far more impressive to me.
It was an adult theatre, as I recall. Adult theatres were places where people sat far apart and did what he did. It was as "private" as watching porn on a PC is today.
I don't think you believe that. Are you saying that as long as they buy a ticket, anyone can come into your living room and do that?
How old are you? Do you have any memory of the world before the Internet?

I'm old enough to come over to your house, buy a ticket, and masturbate in your living room.


Paul Reubens was also nowhere near the level of famous that Cosby is/was. Hard to really compare the two.


http://youtu.be/WzU6_3GqbFo



kibbegirl said:
I don't understand women like Camille who cling to their husbands regardless of evidence. To me, it's a huge self esteem issue. While it's completely up to her to stand by her man, she cannot continue to deny the mounting evidence of rape and drug use. Why bother getting married or staying married to a person of that caliber? Her quick quips regarding their marriage gives clear evidence that she definitely knew something was awry.

Same can be said about Jerry Sandusky's wife as well.



fabulouswalls said:
I think these kinds of things happen all the time. She was a married to a rich and famous man. Where would she be if she spoke up?

That's the thing. He wasn't always rich and famous. His rise to the top I'm sure was paved with affairs. I read that she feels "responsible" for his success. Okay. So you stay with the monster you helped create? And yes, same for Sandusky's wife. This blindness is mind boggling because it's insidious. Camille cannot put herself or her daughter's in the shoes of the women Cosby attacked and Dottie could not put herself or her son's in the shoes of the boys' Jerry attacked. There's no empathy. They only look out for self.


It's so easy to judge when you are so far on the outside of the lives of the strangers you're criticizing. I find it hard to believe that Camille Cosby or Jerry Sandusky's wife or most other women would quietly endorse their husbands' criminal assaults on women or children in exchange for ensuring their own material comfort and security. Some women who are wives of prominent and powerful men feel themselves to be deeply powerless and vulnerable and lacking in any other resources other than the ones provided by their successful spouses. Simply put, they are afraid -- afraid of turning their husbands' aggression on themselves, afraid of losing everything, afraid that their own children will lose everything. It's so easy to condemn these women for failing to "speak up" when you really have no idea what it's like to be in their shoes.


You said it. Afraid of losing everything. Moral high road, shamed, and maybe poor? Or just shut up and let it happen and ignore it. Those abused people probably deserved it, right? Where does it end?


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