Bernie's 2020 Campaign: August 2016 - At least through April, apparently

nan said:


jamie said:
and again - you NEVER give us feedback from someone who isn't a diehard Bernie supporter.
The hypocrisy is amazing.  You're telling us that the MSM is evil - and your "sources" are blind followers of your candidates.  
 I gave you an article by Paul Street, a long-time critic of Sanders.  

 Show me on article where Street was critical of Bernie AFTER Hillary announced she was running.  He seemed to magically stop being a Bernie critic.


nan said:
 Although he's old, his ideas are most popular with the young, because they are different from establishment politics.  

 Or because his policies give them stuff for free. 


Qui s'excuse S'acuse


He's on WNYC 93.9 with Brian Lehrer right now..


mrincredible said:
He's on WNYC 93.9 with Brian Lehrer right now..

 Total BS from Bernie. 

He's running against the Democrats, as his big argument. 


Bernie is completely dividing the democratic party.  He never says we need to elect more democrats to office - he always says "progressive" democrats.

This is the equivalent a republican saying that they need more "tea party" republicans.  It's really disturbing.  Great news for Trump.


Would like to hear more from Pete Buttigieg. Sounds like an interesting candidate.


nan said:


conandrob240 said:
Serious question- nan excluded, are there really people who are excited Bernie’s running? I was (am) a huge Hillary fan but I wouldn’t be happy if she were running again. There are too many sores from last time around. Too many reasons neither were successful. We need to move on to something different.
 Different?  As how different?   His ideas are the most different of almost all the candidates.  Although he's old, his ideas are most popular with the young, because they are different from establishment politics.  I know you seem to have excluded me from this questions, but I am asking you to explain what you mean by "moving on to something different" when most of the other candidates are standard centrist Dems so are you talking about something new or just continuing the status quo?

Well, for starters, different in the sense that they didn’t fail to win last time or serve as one cause for Trump being elected.


jamie said:
Bernie is completely dividing the democratic party.  He never says we need to elect more democrats to office - he always says "progressive" democrats.
This is the equivalent a republican saying that they need more "tea party" republicans.  It's really disturbing.  Great news for Trump.

And he already played this game once. Didn’t end well. He was a key contributor to Trump getting elected. 


author said:


conandrob240 said:
Serious question- nan excluded, are there really people who are excited Bernie’s running? I was (am) a huge Hillary fan but I wouldn’t be happy if she were running again. There are too many sores from last time around. Too many reasons neither were successful. We need to move on to something different.
 That is the purpose of a free and open primary season.  The will of the people will truly decide the Democratic nominee this time round.  We may move on to "something new" or we may not.
In either case the single most important factor is that the voice of the people will be heard this time.
If that scares you there is always Netflix.

 The only thing I’m scared of is 4 more years of Trump. If a way to prevent that is to narrow this field differently than in the past, I support it 


Bernie should form a third party, call it The People's Progressive Party. 


conandrob240 said:


author said:

conandrob240 said:
Serious question- nan excluded, are there really people who are excited Bernie’s running? I was (am) a huge Hillary fan but I wouldn’t be happy if she were running again. There are too many sores from last time around. Too many reasons neither were successful. We need to move on to something different.
 That is the purpose of a free and open primary season.  The will of the people will truly decide the Democratic nominee this time round.  We may move on to "something new" or we may not.
In either case the single most important factor is that the voice of the people will be heard this time.
If that scares you there is always Netflix.
 The only thing I’m scared of is 4 more years of Trump. If a way to prevent that is to narrow this field differently than in the past, I support it 

 With that it is time for another one of Author's predictions................Trump will not run again.

He is about to be met with challengers from within his own Party.  He will very soon be overwhelmed by accusations of improprieties from various prosecutors.

He is facing hundreds if not more of civil lawsuits by small contractors,  plumbers, carpenters and electricians who have done work on his buildings and never been paid.

He will lose enough of his political base that by the time of the Republican primaries it will become obvious that his political future is very much in doubt.  His promises have not met his performance.

The duties of the Presidency cut seriously in to his golf time.

The man will be a one term President.




I wish.

However, the reality is

REPUBLICAN NATIONAL Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel on Thursday poured cold water on potential primary challenges to President Donald Trump in 2020, arguing that any opponents will "lose horribly."

McDaniel's comments at the Conservative Political Action Conference come as buzz grows about a potential contested Republican primary. Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan and former Ohio Gov. John Kasich are reportedly weighing campaigns to take on Trump next year, while former Massachusetts Gov. Bill Weld has launched an exploratory committee.

"They have the right to jump in and lose. That's fine," McDaniel said Thursday at the annual gathering of conservative activists held just outside Washington in Maryland's National Harbor. "They will lose horribly."

"The president has a 90 percent approval in our party," McDaniel said. "What would any Republican be thinking saying, 'This is a guy I'm going to run against?'"

The national Republican Party has been rallying behind Trump ahead of his 2020 re-election race. At the RNC's winter meeting last month, committee members voted to give Trump "undivided support" in 2020.

Trump has to run and win. To delay his and his families day of reckoning.

What may happen is Trump running and refusing to accept he lost.

What if Trump refuses to accept defeat in 2020?


ps - Trump could order his congressional lackeys to not certify some electoral college votes. Maybe the votes from the states where he lost with the usual bs that the Democrat won due to illegal votes.


jamie said:


nan said:

jamie said:
and again - you NEVER give us feedback from someone who isn't a diehard Bernie supporter.
The hypocrisy is amazing.  You're telling us that the MSM is evil - and your "sources" are blind followers of your candidates.  
 I gave you an article by Paul Street, a long-time critic of Sanders.  
 Show me on article where Street was critical of Bernie AFTER Hillary announced she was running.  He seemed to magically stop being a Bernie critic.

 No, just google "Paul Street" + "Bernie Sanders" and you will find lots.   Here is an example from August 24, 2015: 

Paul Street says Bernie Sanders is a non-option for Black or progressive America.

https://www.facebook.com/therealnews/posts/paul-street-says-bernie-sanders-is-a-non-option-for-black-or-progressive-america/10153526538557980


conandrob240 said:


nan said:


conandrob240 said:
Serious question- nan excluded, are there really people who are excited Bernie’s running? I was (am) a huge Hillary fan but I wouldn’t be happy if she were running again. There are too many sores from last time around. Too many reasons neither were successful. We need to move on to something different.
 Different?  As how different?   His ideas are the most different of almost all the candidates.  Although he's old, his ideas are most popular with the young, because they are different from establishment politics.  I know you seem to have excluded me from this questions, but I am asking you to explain what you mean by "moving on to something different" when most of the other candidates are standard centrist Dems so are you talking about something new or just continuing the status quo?
Well, for starters, different in the sense that they didn’t fail to win last time or serve as one cause for Trump being elected.

 So, if failing to win means a candidate should not run again, than why did you support Hillary Clinton who was running for the second time?  Also, if Joe Biden runs it will be his third time and I'm guessing you are fine with him, right?

As for blaming the guy who lost in the primary for the loss in the general election--I just can't even start to get someone falling for that scapegoat.  


Bernie does great on the View:


nan said:


jamie said:

nan said:

jamie said:
and again - you NEVER give us feedback from someone who isn't a diehard Bernie supporter.
The hypocrisy is amazing.  You're telling us that the MSM is evil - and your "sources" are blind followers of your candidates.  
 I gave you an article by Paul Street, a long-time critic of Sanders.  
 Show me on article where Street was critical of Bernie AFTER Hillary announced she was running.  He seemed to magically stop being a Bernie critic.
 No, just google "Paul Street" + "Bernie Sanders" and you will find lots.   Here is an example from August 24, 2015: 
Paul Street says Bernie Sanders is a non-option for Black or progressive America.
https://www.facebook.com/therealnews/posts/paul-street-says-bernie-sanders-is-a-non-option-for-black-or-progressive-america/10153526538557980

 Can you provide a link to the original article?  Did they remove it?  Link isn't working - anything anti negative after that?  That was only 4 months after Hillary announced.  Then he went crazy anti Hillary.  

This one was written 2 days after Hillary announced:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/04/14/bernie-sanders-the-company-man/

Your article was 4 months after she announced - but not much after that.  Amazing how he made the switch - he seems to be in the same league as Blumenthal - changes his views and narratives in order to stay relevant - it's pretty sad journalism.  I guess they get paid for their spin - whichever way it goes.


jamie said:


nan said:

jamie said:

nan said:

jamie said:
and again - you NEVER give us feedback from someone who isn't a diehard Bernie supporter.
The hypocrisy is amazing.  You're telling us that the MSM is evil - and your "sources" are blind followers of your candidates.  
 I gave you an article by Paul Street, a long-time critic of Sanders.  
 Show me on article where Street was critical of Bernie AFTER Hillary announced she was running.  He seemed to magically stop being a Bernie critic.
 No, just google "Paul Street" + "Bernie Sanders" and you will find lots.   Here is an example from August 24, 2015: 
Paul Street says Bernie Sanders is a non-option for Black or progressive America.
https://www.facebook.com/therealnews/posts/paul-street-says-bernie-sanders-is-a-non-option-for-black-or-progressive-america/10153526538557980
 Can you provide a link to the original article?  Did they remove it?  Link isn't working - anything anti negative after that?  That was only 4 months after Hillary announced.  Then he went crazy anti Hillary.  
This one was written 2 days after Hillary announced:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/04/14/bernie-sanders-the-company-man/
Your article was 4 months after she announced - but not much after that.  Amazing how he made the switch - he seems to be in the same league as Blumenthal - changes his views and narratives in order to stay relevant - it's pretty sad journalism.  I guess they get paid for their spin - whichever way it goes.

 I proved you wrong and you are just spinning your wheels.  You know nothing about Paul Street, who has a long career with a consistent viewpoint.  He's not a big Bernie fan, and calls him "Berndog" and other names, but he looks at 2020 and like a sensible person should and he says:

Time to Get on Board With Bernie

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/time-to-get-on-board-with-bernie/


Bernie just talked in Brooklyn.  On top of Free healthcare and Free college - he's now guaranteeing everyone has a good job.  Wow - this guy is superman!

I only caught the last 20 minutes - overall, it felt like more of the same.  This may inspire the Bernie supporters - but that's about it.  Nan will think it was a great speech.

I would love to hear from anyone else who saw it on their feedback, someone who hasn't jumped on the Bernie train yet.  I'll post it when I see it online.


The rally in Brooklyn was great, despite the cold.  Highlights include a moving speech by Shaun King. Nina Turner also gives a great speech and there is labor organizer from Erie, PA.  Workers are front and center.  Bernie does have am ambitious platform that will improve the lives of ordinary people, and make the rich pay more of their fair share.  He is also, for the first time that I remember, directly going after the military industrial complex and calling for an end to endless war.  He also wants to increase social security.  If we reduce the military budget and get the rich to pay their fair share, we can easily afford these programs and increase the standard of living in the richest country on earth (where half the people are poor). Unless you are a billionaire, you should not be hating on this.  


jamie said:
Bernie just talked in Brooklyn.  On top of Free healthcare and Free college - he's now guaranteeing everyone has a good job.  Wow - this guy is superman!


 Trump got elected by promising to build a Great Wall and get Mexico to pay for it. And his supporters believe that he has kept his promise! 

I went to a College founded as tuition free in the mid 19th Century. It deteriorated when they started charging tuition. Every State has State funded Colleges and Universities. Making them tuition free or close to it is no great stretch to me.

Why shouldn't Americans have the same kind of "free" healthcare as Canadians or Swedes or Germans?

And what politician opposes full employment.


And Bernie's platform is "far Left"? Hoover promised " A chicken in every pot".  Was he a Socialist?


Or is he just nuts like the looney who said he would send somebody to the Moon?


It's so discouraging to see good "liberals" assume that we can't afford the same social services that most other countries seem to provide.

Bernie would be a centrist in the rest of the western world.

The conservatives have really done their jobs well in the pr/bs department.


Bernie Snowman from today's rally at Brooklyn College.


13,000 turn out in the cold for Bernie

It continues.

Feel the Bern


I would like us to have universal healthcare - free college and a job for everyone - but very skeptical on Bernie's way to get there.

Places that have universal healthcare tend to pay more in taxes, Bernie's seems to want the wealthy to pick up the tab - stock market picks up the tab on college and I'm not sure how he's going to guarantee everyone decent job.

A little more realism in the pitches would go a long way.  Does he have anything online yet about paying for his plans?


Hugo Chavez promised all that Bernie is promising today....


jamie said:
I would like us to have universal healthcare - free college and a job for everyone - but very skeptical on Bernie's way to get there.
Places that have universal healthcare tend to pay more in taxes, Bernie's seems to want the wealthy to pick up the tab - stock market picks up the tab on college and I'm not sure how he's going to guarantee everyone decent job.
A little more realism in the pitches would go a long way.  Does he have anything online yet about paying for his plans?

 yes, they pay more in taxes - because they're not paying for health insurance otherwise!

People are always complaining about higher taxes in the more socialist countries - but they never consider the high costs we pay in our "free market" for services like health care, day care, drugs, college, etc. All those expenses are essentially taxes, because we have little choice but to pay them. The major difference is that we pay for middlemen to extract their rents and get rich from it.

Great system.


Jaytee said:
Hugo Chavez promised all that Bernie is promising today....

 So did Cesare Chavez and life improved dramatically for those who joined in the struggle

 Gusano



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