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What I consider hilarious is that after seeing Mr. Obama sweep the EC and win a plurality of votes, Republicans expect him to govern like Mitt Romney.

windy,

don't forget "historic" as well.

:-D

Ah, yes. Historic indeed. A virtual watershed!

windy said:

Let me call it, then, a "huge victory" and a turning point. Time will tell if w are correct about that.

Geez, just lookin' to trash talk a bit...I'll agree with Windy: historic, a huge victory, more impt. for first Af Am to get second term than first, as unexpected by the GOP as today's Giants' giant loss.

...and so satisfying after all that money, animus, betrayal by Congress, and other dirty plots (voter suppression, etc) As I said earlier, the good guys won; the bad guys lost. And House and Senate GOP didn't get rewarded for stealing their paychecks for 4 years, just being pricks.

Landslide

Land. Slide.

It was a decisive, overwhelming rout.

BHO creamed him! A freakin' blowout!

It's more than a bit encouraging that Americans in such great numbers are able to recognize propoganda as just that.

Obviously we can now safely repeat the old saying that the "Moral Majority is neither." Remember that one?

Not landslide.
Too much slap happy mutual wanking going on in here.
p.s. the electoral college still sucks ass.

ctrzaska said:

So, to recap... without any other factors considered it means nothing in the context of any silly and irrelevant conversations about "landslides" and "mandates". It didn't when Bush was elected and it doesn't now, regardless of the hilarious "If Bush can declare it so can we" argument.

I just brought it up as an observation, not so much as an argument.

I was anticipating that one of the regular Hannity or Levin fans on this board would start telling us about how President Obama was being "arrogant" given the margin of his victory.

Many of the Republican electors selected in primaries and caucuses around the country were actually pledged to Ron Paul. Now that they can't contribute to a Republican presidency, I will be interested to see how many of the 202 Republican votes in the Electoral College are actually cast for Romney.

In this economy, with this unemployment level, running against a successful businessman known for being able to work with Democrats.... Total landslide.

dave said:

In this economy, with this unemployment level, running against a successful businessman known for being able to work with Democrats.... Total landslide.

Says it all.

RonwellQuincyDobbs said:

I think its a shame that so much $$ was spent and we pretty much ended up w/ the exact same government we have now. There were billions spent....

windy said:

It's more than a bit encouraging that Americans in such great numbers are able to recognize propoganda as just that.

It kind of makes one wonder whether all the dismay over Citizens United was warranted.

Tom_R said:

RonwellQuincyDobbs said:

I think its a shame that so much $$ was spent and we pretty much ended up w/ the exact same government we have now. There were billions spent....

windy said:

It's more than a bit encouraging that Americans in such great numbers are able to recognize propoganda as just that.

It kind of makes one wonder whether all the dismay over Citizens United was warranted.

It doesn't make one wonder about dismay over Citizens United. Obviously money was spent by these corporations and other "anonymous sources" because they thought it would influence the election. The fact that it didn't do so is nothing short of a miracle of American democracy.

dave said:

In this economy, with this unemployment level, running against a successful businessman known for being able to work with Democrats.... Total landslide.

Sure, it's a landslide if you redefine the term.

good article on the mindset of the .01%

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/10/08/121008fa_fact_freeland?currentPage=all

Leon Cooperman, the main character in the article, donated a ton of money to the JCC in WO. It's just amazing the kind of self-delusion these guys operate under.

drummerboy said:

dave said:

In this economy, with this unemployment level, running against a successful businessman known for being able to work with Democrats.... Total landslide.

Sure, it's a landslide if you redefine the term.

It was an electoral landslide, whether you like the EC or not. Based on the rules of the game, Obama won massively. He won 8 of 9 swing states, and not a single state went into a recount.

I'm going with landslide. I read or heard somewhere it was 2.5million more votes. Doesnt seem like much but when you watched the election once the west coast started reporting numbers the EC became a walk in the park. No drama, no suspense, Obama in a walkover.

Tom_R said:

RonwellQuincyDobbs said:

I think its a shame that so much $$ was spent and we pretty much ended up w/ the exact same government we have now. There were billions spent....

windy said:

It's more than a bit encouraging that Americans in such great numbers are able to recognize propoganda as just that.

It kind of makes one wonder whether all the dismay over Citizens United was warranted.

And at the ridiculous level of spending wouldnt it be funny if that actual spending turned out to be the stimulus for the declining unemployment levels? After all those billions went to all kinds of businesses for their promotional materials and their consultations and polling and donuts for staffers and transportation and billboards and on and on.

lol jokes on them.

Obama could have lost Florida, Ohio, and Virginia, and he still would have won the electoral college.

Obama has over six-million votes in California. That's more than the combined Romney votes in; N.D., S.D., Neb., Kan., Mont., Idaho, Wyo., Utah, and Arizona.

OMG. This thread gets more hilarious by the minute.

By 21st century standards, it was a landslide.

drummerboy said:

Not landslide.
Too much slap happy mutual wanking going on in here.
p.s. the electoral college still sucks ass.

Yes, but for the forseeable future it sucks lib ass. Confederate states can go 100% GOP.

ctrzaska said:

OMG. This thread gets more hilarious by the minute.

Or giddy, depending on one's politics.

Still not sure how anyone gets worked up over it either way. Amyone thinking this will result in some sort of sweeping change in the political spectrum (barring a SCOTUS appointee or two) is an idiot, save for what the Reps do internally. The economy will recover to a measurable extent in about a year and a half (presuming no further Euro implosion), congress will remain in a partisan funk save for a good number of state houses, and the billionaires will still be billionaires happily spending away in two years. If the Reps implode and fracture more substantially there may be something to it, and if they don't...well then there you go.

I can only speak for myself and immediate family, but I think you're right in terms of major policies but I think your politics doesn't see the outrage on the lib side about 4 years of obstructionism; voter suppression and other dirty tricks and schemes; how utterly revolting Karl Rove is, how targeted women, minorities, and gays were; how CU (despite not being effective) allowed such power to be handed to billionaires; etc.

So much more was vindicated in the votes - POTUS, Senate, even House; in the demographics - Asian-Americans, Cuban-Americans also onboard.

I think these results were much more compelling for me than the BHO win. Also satisfying were the ridiculous shell-shocked responses by GOP pols and pundits.

Again, on a practical level, I'm sure you're right.

Every Progressive *must* favor abolishing the ELectoral College hypothetically (there is no chance of it happening, though). The EC overweights the interests of residents of smaller states which are typically rural and typically not progressive. This isn't even up for argument, really.