DUMP TRUMP (previously 2020 candidates)
STANV said:
I do not know what is meant by "National Rent Control". The proposals I see relate to Public Housing and Federally subsidized housing. If a private landlord is receiving a Federal Subsidy then Federal Rules apply.
Is anyone advocating that the Federal Government tell me what rents I can charge for residential tenants in a property I own and paid for solely with my own money or a non-federally guaranteed mortgage from a bank?
Bernie Sanders proposes to enact a national cap on annual rent increases at no more than 3% or 1.5 times the Consumer Price Index, whichever is higher. See "Protect Tenants."
cramer said:
Bernie Sanders proposes to enact a national cap on annual rent increases at no more than 3% or 1.5 times the Consumer Price Index, whichever is higher. See "Protect Tenants."
Is there going to be a National Rent Control Board to which landlord's could apply for hardship increases based on increased costs or apply for surcharges due to capital improvements or increases in property taxes? That is the way Local Rent Control Ordinances work.
Klinker said:
Dennis_Seelbach said:
Klinker said:
Its good to see Warren bringing up the terrible bankruptcy bill that Delaware Joe helped shove down the throats of the American people. Its easy to forget that, when he was a Senator, Biden was wholly owned by the credit card industry. He may style himself as Uncle Joe these days but Great Uncle Grabby was no friend to the working men and women.
Disgusting!!!
Indeed. On top of everything else Biden is fake to the core. He plagiarized his persona.
Didn't think it necessary to state that the disgusting one is YOU ! There...taken care of.
STANV said:
cramer said:
Bernie Sanders proposes to enact a national cap on annual rent increases at no more than 3% or 1.5 times the Consumer Price Index, whichever is higher. See "Protect Tenants."
Is there going to be a National Rent Control Board to which landlord's could apply for hardship increases based on increased costs or apply for surcharges due to capital improvements or increases in property taxes? That is the way Local Rent Control Ordinances work.
No mention of a National Rent Control Board but there would have to be one. No mention of increases in property taxes.
- Enact a national cap on annual rent increases at no more than 3 percent or 1.5 times the Consumer Price Index (whichever is higher) to help prevent the exploitation of tenants at the hands of private landlords.
- Allow for landlords to apply for waivers if significant capital improvements are made, which will incentivize landlords to improve the conditions of their properties
cramer said:
STANV said:
cramer said:
Bernie Sanders proposes to enact a national cap on annual rent increases at no more than 3% or 1.5 times the Consumer Price Index, whichever is higher. See "Protect Tenants."
Is there going to be a National Rent Control Board to which landlord's could apply for hardship increases based on increased costs or apply for surcharges due to capital improvements or increases in property taxes? That is the way Local Rent Control Ordinances work.
No mention of a National Rent Control Board but there would have to be one. No mention of increases in property taxes.
- Enact a national cap on annual rent increases at no more than 3 percent or 1.5 times the Consumer Price Index (whichever is higher) to help prevent the exploitation of tenants at the hands of private landlords.
- Allow for landlords to apply for waivers if significant capital improvements are made, which will incentivize landlords to improve the conditions of their properties
Bernie's National Rent Control proposal is as detailed as his path to M4A.
It will just happen. Don't worry about the details.
Dennis_Seelbach said:
Klinker said:
Dennis_Seelbach said:
Klinker said:
Its good to see Warren bringing up the terrible bankruptcy bill that Delaware Joe helped shove down the throats of the American people. Its easy to forget that, when he was a Senator, Biden was wholly owned by the credit card industry. He may style himself as Uncle Joe these days but Great Uncle Grabby was no friend to the working men and women.
Disgusting!!!
Indeed. On top of everything else Biden is fake to the core. He plagiarized his persona.
Didn't think it necessary to state that the disgusting one is YOU ! There...taken care of.
Oh. It seemed so obvious that it was the candidate who was whoring himself for the credit card companies while screwing the little guy.
I guess we just have different values. Happens sometimes.
A good opinion piece from the NY Times. When the Democratic candidates are, by and large, in agreement on the goal, the fact that there is vicious sniping about the way to get there just hurts the fight against Trump.
Can We Please Stop Fighting About ‘Medicare for All’?
I thought the following was pretty spot on.
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-progressives-guide-to-corporate-democrat-speak/
The Centrist’s Dictionary
“Centrist”
Someone who presents a corporate-friendly agenda with less fervor than the typical Republican, with a modest measure of regulation as demanded by circumstances and with a patina of social liberalism.
“Choice” (when applied to a public good)
A word used as an attempt to distract people from the flawed state of the American social contract by forcing them to choose from an array of semi-functional, overpriced private-sector products. This allows policymakers to subsidize private corporations at public expense, while at the same time providing the public with something that loosely resembles—but is not—a functioning social safety net.
“Compete” (as in, “prepare workers of the future to compete”)
A word used to describe what workers will be required to do to survive in the new, Randian economy. For example, to become competitive, workers are sometimes expected to run through a gauntlet of poorly conceived and insufficiently funded educational programs to re-train them for the “new economy” (defined below), often under the assumption that there is a secret app designer hiding inside every laid-off manufacturing employee. To “compete” after training, workers should be prepared to fight like crabs in a barrel for low-paying jobs that provide no employment security or benefits. (See also: “Jobs of the future,” defined below.)
“Free stuff”
A term of contemptuous dismissal for public services that are commonly available in other developed countries, and which any decent society would make available to all human beings.
“Friend of mine” (as in, “John McCain was a friend of mine”)
A declaration of sentimental attachment not only to an individual across the aisle, but also to a long-passed era of comity between powerful individuals from both political parties. The term reflects an unwillingness to accept the cynicism and depravity of today’s GOP. It may also indicate a willingness to use “bipartisanship” as a cover for offering conservative policies by pretending they are needed to attract Republican votes (which they will not do).
“Health care consumers”
People who are forced to choose from a bewildering array of inadequate private health options, based on future needs they can’t anticipate, as offered by private corporations that benefit financially by confusing them now and denying them medical care later. The word “consumers” allows policymakers to accuse individuals of not being “smart shoppers” when things go wrong, thereby deflecting blame away from both themselves and the corporations.
“I don’t think anyone has a monopoly on bold ideas”
I don’t have any bold ideas.
“I know how to get things done”
I intend to keep using a political approach that hasn’t gotten anything done for years.
“I will not raise taxes one penny on the middle class”
I’ll let corporations keep ripping the nearly-vanished “middle class” off instead, charging people more than they’d pay in taxes while providing less in services—and without public oversight or accountability.
“I’m pragmatic”
I don’t believe that a country that won two world wars, rebuilt its economy with the New Deal after the Great Depression, created Medicare and Social Security, developed the internet at public expense, and sent several manned missions to the moon can do big things.
“Ideology” (as in, “I don’t believe in rigid adherence to any political ideology”)
A pejorative term for principles and/or core values.
“Jobs of the future”
Menial piecework tasks, parceled out through apps that force workers into 12-hour days in the hopes they can eke out a living through a lifetime of endless servility.
“Managed competition”
Managed confusion. (See “Choice,” above.)
“New economy”
Same as the old economy (circa 19th century), but the boss wears a turtleneck or a hoodie.
“Our country needs to balance its budget like a family sitting around the kitchen table”
Definition 1: I don’t understand how finance works.
Definition 2: I don’t want you to understand how finance works.
“Pipe dream”
Any bold idea I don’t support.
“Privatization”
Theft of public resources.
“Public/private partnership”
See above; the exploitation of public resources for private profit.
“Purity test”
Any belief or policy I won’t espouse because it would alienate my funders, but that I won’t openly oppose because it’s popular with voters. It implies that people who support it are rigid and unreasonable, rather than principled and thoughtful.
“Reaching across the aisle”
A coded message to big-money donors that you will not fight for the policies you claim to believe in.
“Realistic” (as in, “Your proposal (backed by a large majority of voters) isn’t realistic”)
We don’t live in a functioning democracy and I don’t plan to do anything about it.
“Rich kids/Trump’s kids” (as in, “I don’t want to give free college to Donald Trump’s kids”)
1) I believe that social program X is a commodity, not a public good; 2) if I really cared about economic inequality, I’d raise taxes on the Trumps of this world to pay for it, and 3) my logic could be applied to elementary schools, too, so I hope you don’t think about what I’m saying too much.
“Something we can get done” (as in, “The public option is something we can get done”)
A cautious proposal that can’t get passed as long as Republicans control the Senate, but will not inspire voters to turn the Senate Democratic. In other words, something that can’t get done.
“Universal coverage”
The stated goal of providing every American with inadequate health insurance that ensures neither financial security nor decent medical care.
“You can be progressive and practical at the same time”
I am neither progressive nor practical.
I'm not a big fan of "what he really means" arguments.
drummerboy said:
I thought the following was pretty spot on.
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-progressives-guide-to-corporate-democrat-speak/
nohero said:
I'm not a big fan of "what he really means" arguments.
drummerboy said:
I thought the following was pretty spot on.
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-progressives-guide-to-corporate-democrat-speak/
fair enough, I guess, but what do you think candidates actually mean when they use these buzzwords?
drummerboy said:
fair enough, I guess, but what do you think candidates actually mean when they use these buzzwords?
I like to look at the whole statement, and what it's about, and what the candidate's actual position is, and not just any "buzzwords" that get highlighted.
Pete took a bit of a dip in Iowa - Sanders and Warren in the lead. Here's a glimpse of some of the most recent polling:
I am still 100% behind Warren but the fact that Bernie is making Brett hide under his warm, moist covers is encouraging.
This video is not very flattering for Uncle Joe. I wonder how many more of these there are? He needs to put Iraq behind him somehow.
This clip even includes the standard hawkis refrain about the “costs of not acting.” Biden can’t explain this away because this was his real position for years https://t.co/TJgqBWHyAc
He more or less openly lies about his position on the war. The man has a loose relationship with the truth dating back to his plagiarizing days in school.
The Sanders campaign on Biden's Iraq record:
“Bernie Sanders saw the same information and had the judgment to vote against the Iraq war,” Jeff Weaver, a senior adviser to Mr. Sanders, said in the statement. Mr. Biden, he suggested, “undermined Democratic opposition, enthusiastically supported a disastrous war, refuses to admit mistakes, and then tries to rewrite history.”
Hard to argue with any of that, particularly the last bit.
Hey, Maplewood and South Orange folks. If you own a home here, you might be considered relatively better off, compared to some other people in other parts of the country. Also, you might have a college degree. Well, if that's the case, and you support Senator Warren, the Bernie campaign says that's a negative for her.
The script instructs Sanders volunteers to tell voters leaning toward the Massachusetts senator that the “people who support her are highly-educated, more affluent people who are going to show up and vote Democratic no matter what” and that “she's bringing no new bases into the Democratic Party.
"I like Elizabeth Warren. [optional]” the script begins. “In fact, she’s my second choice. But here’s my concern about her.” It then pivots to the criticisms of Warren.
The Sanders campaign did not challenge the authenticity of the script, but it declined to comment.
Bernie campaign slams Warren as candidate of the elite
nohero said:
Hey, Maplewood and South Orange folks. If you own a home here, you might be considered relatively better off, compared to some other people in other parts of the country. Also, you might have a college degree. Well, if that's the case, and you support Senator Warren, the Bernie campaign says that's a negative for her.
The script instructs Sanders volunteers to tell voters leaning toward the Massachusetts senator that the “people who support her are highly-educated, more affluent people who are going to show up and vote Democratic no matter what” and that “she's bringing no new bases into the Democratic Party.
"I like Elizabeth Warren. [optional]” the script begins. “In fact, she’s my second choice. But here’s my concern about her.” It then pivots to the criticisms of Warren.
The Sanders campaign did not challenge the authenticity of the script, but it declined to comment.Bernie campaign slams Warren as candidate of the elite
So elite who vote Democratic are disdained. Bernie is well educated and very affluent elite. Will he not be voting Democratic should he not get the nomination?
History repeats. I'm reminded of the Russian revolution where the proletariat attacked the revolutionary liberals, the well educated, the professional class, etc. Never mind the inconsistency that many Bolshevik leaders were themselves well educated intellectuals.
So who does Bernie think he'll get when his campaign disdains the Maplewood/SO populace cohort? The less educated and not affluent Southern Jersey Trump supporters? People of color who are overwhelmingly supporting Biden?
nohero said:
Hey, Maplewood and South Orange folks. If you own a home here, you might be considered relatively better off, compared to some other people in other parts of the country. Also, you might have a college degree. Well, if that's the case, and you support Senator Warren, the Bernie campaign says that's a negative for her.
The script instructs Sanders volunteers to tell voters leaning toward the Massachusetts senator that the “people who support her are highly-educated, more affluent people who are going to show up and vote Democratic no matter what” and that “she's bringing no new bases into the Democratic Party.
"I like Elizabeth Warren. [optional]” the script begins. “In fact, she’s my second choice. But here’s my concern about her.” It then pivots to the criticisms of Warren.
The Sanders campaign did not challenge the authenticity of the script, but it declined to comment.Bernie campaign slams Warren as candidate of the elite
I think Sanders is being smart here, and his recent poll numbers reflect that.
Bernie is the only true, unabashed progressive in the field and he's trying to drive that message home.
Warren was driving in the progressive lane a few months ago and she was atop the polls. But since then her candidacy has been drifting a bit into the progressive/moderate lane with stuff like M4A not until 3rd year, change of tack re: wealthy campaign donors, and her response to the killing of Soleimani.
So it makes sense for Bernie to try to further push Warren out of the prog lane in the mind of the voter.
He's annoying and egotistical and shrimpy. But I endorse Doomsberg for President of the United States.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/11/its-bernies-moment-its-bloombergs-race/
Smedley said:
I think Sanders is being smart here, and his recent poll numbers reflect that.
Bernie is the only true, unabashed progressive in the field and he's trying to drive that message home.
Warren was driving in the progressive lane a few months ago and she was atop the polls. But since then her candidacy has been drifting a bit into the progressive/moderate lane with stuff like M4A not until 3rd year, change of tack re: wealthy campaign donors, and her response to the killing of Soleimani.
So it makes sense for Bernie to try to further push Warren out of the prog lane in the mind of the voter.
Two thoughts:
1. The talking point in question, has nothing to do with the talking points mentioned in your response. The talking point doesn't suggest that the "highly-educated, more affluent people" don't have opinions against M4A, or about not catering to wealthy donors, or criticizing Trump's killing of Soleimani.
2. You're repeating talking points about Warren which were already extensively discussed and debunked earlier. Very "Surovellian" to ignore that, and just bring them up again like that as if those conversations never happened.
Smedley said:
He's annoying and egotistical and shrimpy. But I endorse Doomsberg for President of the United States.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/11/its-bernies-moment-its-bloombergs-race/
It's a paywall, so maybe you could share at least a sample of what the argument is.
nohero said:
Smedley said:
I think Sanders is being smart here, and his recent poll numbers reflect that.
Bernie is the only true, unabashed progressive in the field and he's trying to drive that message home.
Warren was driving in the progressive lane a few months ago and she was atop the polls. But since then her candidacy has been drifting a bit into the progressive/moderate lane with stuff like M4A not until 3rd year, change of tack re: wealthy campaign donors, and her response to the killing of Soleimani.
So it makes sense for Bernie to try to further push Warren out of the prog lane in the mind of the voter.
Two thoughts:
1. The talking point in question, has nothing to do with the talking points mentioned in your response. The talking point doesn't suggest that the "highly-educated, more affluent people" don't have opinions against M4A, or about not catering to wealthy donors, or criticizing Trump's killing of Soleimani.
2. You're repeating talking points about Warren which were already extensively discussed and debunked earlier. Very "Surovellian" to ignore that, and just bring them up again like that as if those conversations never happened.
Well let me ask you this: why has Warren's support dropped pretty significantly over the past few months? I'm seeing from about 25% in Oct. to 15% now. Is this just random noise?
And as far as the "talking points" being "debunked", I guess if your definition of debunk is to debate something with both sides presenting an argument and a net result of no minds changed, then yeah I guess the talking points were debunked.
nohero said:
Smedley said:
He's annoying and egotistical and shrimpy. But I endorse Doomsberg for President of the United States.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/11/its-bernies-moment-its-bloombergs-race/
It's a paywall, so maybe you could share at least a sample of what the argument is.
Excerpt:
"If it can be summed up, then, the Democratic “mood” is basically this: “We like Bernie. He’s a warrior. But we’re afraid if we nominate him, he’ll lose in the fall. We need someone to get the job done.”
If the two men who might be that someone — former vice president Joe Biden and former South Bend, Ind., mayor Pete Buttigieg — lose to Sanders in Iowa and New Hampshire, that would make their “electability” somewhat less convincing. Defeat can be contagious. There are not many voters who say: “I like him — he loses a lot.”
So it’s Bernie’s moment, which has sent a wave of panic through the Democratic ecosystem. It’s like waking up from a nightmare, only to realize that you’re waking up in a nightmare.
Which helps explain why Democrats across the country will soon find themselves with a newfound appreciation for the virtues of one Mike Bloomberg, former Republican mayor of New York and billionaire founder of a financial data services empire. He might not have been exactly what they had in mind, but by Super Tuesday he’ll look like Brad Pitt."
Smedley said:
Well let me ask you this: why has Warren's support dropped pretty significantly over the past few months? I'm seeing from about 25% in Oct. to 15% now. Is this just random noise?
I don't know why the poll results are all over the map.
Smedley said:
And as far as the "talking points" being "debunked", I guess if your definition of debunk is to debate something with both sides presenting an argument and a net result of no minds changed, then yeah I guess the talking points were debunked.
Flat-earthers and climate change deniers never change their minds, but that's not a reflection of the arguments against their positions.
Mike Bloomberg is loved by Beltway pundits. His problem is that most voters don't like him. Most Democrats aren't going to fall for another narcissistic, authoritarian NY billionaire.
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