2020 - Candidates

basil

I seriously doubt that she will run again. I think she was a great candidate, uniquely qualified, and she should have won the election (in fact she did win the election if it were not got the electoral college, which ironically exists to make sure that the people don't accidentally elect an unqualified person like Trump, but that's another story). But once you lose you lose. Romney isn't running again either.


LOST

Can we have a conversation about realistic possibilities?


Jamie

Beto - with Eli Cummings as VP!


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jamie said:
Beto - with Eli Cummings as VP!

 I said "realistic".  Do you mean Congressman Elijah Cummings. At his age and with his experience he is not going to play second fiddle to someone like Beto.

You want a winning combination?


Sherrod Brown-Stacy Abrams.


FilmCarp

Stacey Abrams makes my short list for either president or VP.  Extremely intelligent and no BS


Morganna
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jamie said:
Beto - with Eli Cummings as VP!
 I said "realistic".  Do you mean Congressman Elijah Cummings. At his age and with his experience he is not going to play second fiddle to someone like Beto.
You want a winning combination?


Sherrod Brown-Stacy Abrams.

 Sherrod Brown has always been on my list. I think we started looking at our prospects since the week after Hillary lost. I'm glad people are looking at him. He caught my attention as an MSNBC guest years ago. He always seemed like a hero from an old Frank Capra film. Then I started watching him on the Senate floor and I was convinced he was someone special. But each time I suggested him among a few others, he was overlooked. I assumed he simply did not have the name recognition that some of the other people that we have discussed on this board. I hope people take a real look at him.


basil

Sherrod Brown and Beto have very similar messages (maybe Stacy Abrams to, I am less familiar with her), namely unashamed progresssive messages with focus on work and jobs.


Morganna
gerritn said:
Sherrod Brown and Beto have very similar messages (maybe Stacy Abrams to, I am less familiar with her), namely unashamed progresssive messages with focus on work and jobs.

 That would be an interesting ticket. Ohio/Texas.  I think Beto's high energy would eclipse Sherrod's style but they both seem very approachable. I'd expect to run into either one of them at a diner.  And always loved to watch Sherrod Brown deliver a speech on the floor. He puts his hand in his pocket. I never get the feeling that he's performing.  Just doesn't come off like a politician. Love listening to him. He doesn't sound like any of the other speakers. Maybe its the gravelly voice.


basil
Morganna said:


gerritn said:
Sherrod Brown and Beto have very similar messages (maybe Stacy Abrams to, I am less familiar with her), namely unashamed progresssive messages with focus on work and jobs.
 That would be an interesting ticket. Ohio/Texas.  I think Beto's high energy would eclipse Sherrod's style but they both seem very approachable. I'd expect to run into either one of them at a diner.  And always loved to watch Sherrod Brown deliver a speech on the floor. He puts his hand in his pocket. I never get the feeling that he's performing.  Just doesn't come off like a politician. Love listening to him. He doesn't sound like any of the other speakers. Maybe its the gravelly voice.

We"ll see how the primaries go. This is one of these cases where the primaries are really useful because it will let us see which candidate(s) can get their message across and hopefully catch fire.


Philip

After all the drama of Trump, I'm thinking a good midwestern calm would be nice. Klobucher? Though I actually think that's a longish shot -- I think the electoral mood will likely still be looking for large personalities. 


ml1

The Democratic candidate is going to be smeared as unpatriotic, socialistic, anti-military, pro-open boarders, pro-terrorism, corrupt, weak, and incompetent by the GOP and right wing media no matter who he/she is.  So there's no compelling reason for the person to be a "centrist" or a "moderate" if the Republicans are going to convince tens of millions of people that the person is an extremist.  A sensible, smart and tough progressive candidate will motivate the base to come out and vote. And all the anti-Trumpers will be on board anyway.

That said, the person has to be tough enough to be ready for a fight, and able to respond to all the insults Trump will fling.  I don't know at this point who the person should be, but IMHO someone who can effectively ridicule Trump's Twitter insults and campaign rally ramblings will have a better chance than someone who tries to take the "high road" or who responds as if Trump's nonsense deserves a serious retort.  Trump is a clown and a huckster, and treating him with ridicule will likely be the best response.  If low energy Jeb could have figured that out maybe he'd have spared the country from a Trump nomination.


drummerboy

Beto was apparently in a band with the future members of The Mars Volta.

That's enough for my vote.


apple44

I like the combination of an experienced campaigner like Biden at top of the ticket, with someone like Beto as vp, with the understanding that Biden will serve one term and support Beto in 2024. One negative is it's two white dudes. Maybe Biden and Kamala Harris.


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gerritn said:
Sherrod Brown and Beto have very similar messages (maybe Stacy Abrams to, I am less familiar with her), namely unashamed progresssive messages with focus on work and jobs.

 I do not favor a ticket with two white men.

There must be a woman on the Dem ticket. Woman are Trump's weakest demographic.

And if possible a woman "of color".

PVW said:
After all the drama of Trump, I'm thinking a good midwestern calm would be nice. Klobucher? Though I actually think that's a longish shot -- I think the electoral mood will likely still be looking for large personalities. 

 She is certainly a contender. 

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/417240-some-of-us-midwesterners-think-maybe-amy-klobuchar-would-do-okay-as


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Sherrod Brown

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherrod_Brown#Early_life,_education,_and_academic_career

Brown opposed an amendment to Ohio's constitution that banned same-sex marriage. He was also one of the few U.S. Representatives to vote against the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996.

He was vetted as a potential vice-presidential running mate for Clinton. The choice came down to Brown and Tim Kaine, who was ultimately selected. Brown had the distinct disadvantage that had Clinton won, Ohio's Republican Governor John Kasich would have chosen Brown's replacement in the Senate, whereas Kaine's replacement would be chosen by Democrat and Clinton ally Terry McAuliffe. Washington Monthly suggested that as a presidential candidate in 2020, Brown could unite the establishment and progressive wings of the Democratic Party.

In 2011, in the National Journal’s annual rankings, Brown tied with eight other members for the title of the most liberal member of Congress.

In a 2017 issue of DissentMichael Kazin introduced an interview with Brown by praising him as "a politician ahead of his time" and "perhaps the most class-conscious Democrat in Washington." Brown told Kazin that many Ohioans think "that people on the coasts look down on them" and blamed this notion on Fox News and the Wall Street Journal.




drummerboy

For the life of me, I don't know why the failed presidential candidate Biden holds so much appeal as a possible candidate.


Jamie

failed presidential candidate?  Not sure what you mean.  He was never a candidate.


Michael

I think a majority of white women voted for Trump (53% or about that).  


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drummerboy said:
For the life of me, I don't know why the failed presidential candidate Biden holds so much appeal as a possible candidate.

 Considering who is a successful presidential candidate, maybe failure doesn't look so bad.


drummerboy
jamie said:
failed presidential candidate?  Not sure what you mean.  He was never a candidate.

He ran in two presidential primaries.


ml1
drummerboy said:


jamie said:
failed presidential candidate?  Not sure what you mean.  He was never a candidate.
He ran in two presidential primaries.

He had the joe-mentum!


Michael
drummerboy said:


jamie said:
failed presidential candidate?  Not sure what you mean.  He was never a candidate.
He ran in two presidential primaries.

Not sure it matters  --- Things change and so does the public opinion of candidates.  


ml1
drummerboy said:
For the life of me, I don't know why the failed presidential candidate Biden holds so much appeal as a possible candidate.

I don't get it either.  I don't think someone should be disqualified out of hand for his/her age.  But while there are a lot of things to like about Biden, I just think that a guy who grew up in his era is likely to have blind spots regarding the changes that are still taking place with regard to the rights of women and people of color.  And there isn't anything he's done or sad lately that makes me think he has a real understanding of those issues, which are going to be critical to winning in 2020 and beyond.


Reginald

The person who can defeat trump is........Michael Bloomberg.


apple44

Bloomberg is interesting but I think his philanthropy endears him to some people, while others find it elitist. 

Agree Biden isn't a perfect candidate. One would hope that women and people of color are going to come out against Trump. Biden might have a chance at winning back some of the angry, working class male group. He knows how to get things done in Washington, and if Congress pushes for legislation to help women and people of color he'll support them.

I don't think it will happen but I think it's an interesting concept - a veteran candidate basically running for one-term while a younger VP gains experience to take over.



Jamie
drummerboy said:


jamie said:
failed presidential candidate?  Not sure what you mean.  He was never a candidate.
He ran in two presidential primaries.

 I think his resume has improved a bit since those runs.



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